From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: delete-selection-mode Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:43:32 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com><201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu><87vdd1yqe4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87eijjzrkd.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org><20100317143519.GB4381@muc.de><87vdcui6oh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp><20100318101223.GB2704@muc.de><400FB8EA6FB8499AB34297A77E9DCB49@us.oracle.com><87bpelxyu7.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87vdcsvn2h.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268984632 28186 80.91.229.12 (19 Mar 2010 07:43:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:43:52 +0000 (UTC) To: "'David Kastrup'" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 19 08:43:48 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsWs0-0008DB-2m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:43:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40225 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NsWry-0000G2-Vm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:43:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NsWrs-0000Dg-6X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:43:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54638 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NsWrq-0000Bv-N5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:43:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsWrp-0002Ys-6Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:43:38 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com ([141.146.126.234]:28311) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsWrp-0002Yj-1m; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:43:37 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o2J7hYXN019469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:43:35 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o2J5W6S8022435; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:43:33 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt021.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 99487651268984613; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:43:33 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/24.5.179.75) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:43:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87vdcsvn2h.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Thread-Index: AcrHL7qCCnP+5RQ3S7aK1kcncDsFswAASV2w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.4BA32B26.0002:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122258 Archived-At: > >> With transient-mark-mode, it will be active by default, > >> even when you just wanted to manipulate the mark. > > > > C-u C-SPC instead of C-SPC. Or just turn off t-m-mode. > > If you can't remember, a newbie would? a. Your citation is off. Presumably, you meant to quote Stefan correcting my mention of C-u C-SPC instead of C-SPC C-SPC. Ever type one thing and think another? Mea culpa - I did. b. I don't actually use C-SPC C-SPC. I don't use the "temporary transient-mark-mode" (or its opposite). Ever. But you might want to. I use `delete-selection-mode' - that's it. If I ever need to deactivate the region, I use C-g. I've used d-s-mode for decades - long before any temporary t-m-mode existed. And I've never missed such a feature. To me, it's a solution looking for a problem. c. I don't particularly expect a newbie (or anyone else) to remember C-SPC C-SPC - and I don't really care whether s?he does. I would like to give newbies the selection behavior they expect by default: d-s-mode. That's all. And no, that doesn't involve temporary t-m-mode. They don't use such a thing outside Emacs, and they won't use it - at least at the beginning - inside Emacs. And maybe, like me, they will never feel a need to use it.