From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `isearch-allow-scroll' - a misnomer and a bad design Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 02:29:59 -0700 Message-ID: References: <8739g0vyuy.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <4E6FF63A.4070604@gmail.com> <2F1337889F394491BA778ACA46799812@us.oracle.com> <874o07m3ay.fsf@maru.md5i.com> <20110921090406.GA2537@acm.acm> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1316597412 15284 80.91.229.12 (21 Sep 2011 09:30:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 09:30:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs devel To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 21 11:30:08 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R6J83-0001hG-Du for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:30:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49344 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6J80-00062q-HX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:30:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:42245) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6J7x-00062Z-S3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:30:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6J7w-0003QC-MH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:30:01 -0400 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-2.mit.edu ([18.9.25.13]:48319) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R6J7w-0003Q4-KL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:30:00 -0400 X-AuditID: 1209190d-b7be0ae000000a16-44-4e79adb15ed9 Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu ( [18.9.21.35]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-2.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id A5.19.02582.1BDA97E4; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id p8L9Txot003886; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:29:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.6] (c-67-183-32-38.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.183.32.38]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id p8L9Tv61013214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:29:58 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20110921090406.GA2537@acm.acm> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrLIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixCmqrLtxbaWfwelT4hYNL6UsHi94wurA 5NE2zcxj9wHXAKYoLpuU1JzMstQifbsEroznrecZC2ZxVpy8/Iy1gXEeexcjB4eEgInE5tep XYycQKaYxIV769m6GLk4hAT2MUpsPXCRCcLZwCixfW0TO0iVkMAJJonlKyVBmoUFHCUub/EE MXkFjCVe/2MCqWAW0JK48e8lE0iYTUAGaKYGSJhTQEeivf8sK4jNIqAq8fjQZWaIclWJ9W93 skPY2hLLFr4Gi/MKWEmsv7QI6pzzzBJHppwGmy8iIC/xZ+5OZoib5SUWt3xmnMAoOAvhillI rpiFZOwCRuZVjLIpuVW6uYmZOcWpybrFyYl5ealFukZ6uZkleqkppZsYwSErybuD8d1BpUOM AhyMSjy8FzZX+AmxJpYVV+YeYpTkYFIS5b0GDHghvqT8lMqMxOKM+KLSnNTiQ4wSHMxKIrxv 5wPleFMSK6tSi/JhUtIcLErivIU7HPyEBNITS1KzU1MLUotgsjIcHEoSvGLrgBoFi1LTUyvS MnNKENJMHJwgw3mAhguC1PAWFyTmFmemQ+RPMepy7N3WeIJRiCUvPy9VSpxXA6RIAKQoozQP bg4s1bxiFAd6S5hXCKSKB5im4Ca9AlrCBLREqRBsSUkiQkqqgVHvm9TikvTEZ6sTu6Z9fHdZ z/BvxcEVuVJ2L93dbhVncjqrpQSofnyaE2R0eHONjqvpSeVVzzafqugJ7SrltOd4vTmVZfoh 0fum38MUag13MJ+aevJKbpSMy4pr9rsu/N+1NGLjFes3L49flTm0Ncza/7jp51Wp X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 18.9.25.13 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144145 Archived-At: On Sep 21, 2011, at 2:04 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hi, everybody. >=20 > Since when has adding four identical characters into a search string = been > useful? Maybe "))))" whilst programming elisp, and there is a (long) > place name in Wales with four consecutive 'l's. But really? :-) As I mentioned, my actual experience with emacs: I've tried to use it to isearch for strings of several `-' = characters (which=20 were basically record separators), and was surprised when C-u = quit=20 isearch. The case I mentioned uses 6 `-'s; the other cases I see = (less frequently lately) use either 33 `-'s or 66 `;'s. I've never wanted C-u to quit isearch.=20 Richard commented that special-casing C-u might turn isearch into a=20 `modal thing' (my term). I think the majority of people believe that it has always been such a thing, and that is its primary value. Perhaps there are people who want to be able to exit isearch by = inserting=20 a number of identical characters at point, but it certainly seems = strange to me (hardly surprising, since I already said I was unpleasantly = surprised by it). I hope that helps, *Chad