From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter Dyballa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0? Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:03:09 +0200 Message-ID: References: <878x8zyuln.fsf@debby.local.net> <871wepzuy0.fsf_-_@debby.local.net> <87k5shpr4j.fsf@debby.local.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1185833020 22103 80.91.229.12 (30 Jul 2007 22:03:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Mailing List , Arjen Wiersma To: Dieter Wilhelm Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 31 00:03:32 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IFdKr-0004hd-Em for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:03:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFdKr-0007FX-52 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:03:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IFdKc-0007FQ-Oo for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:03:14 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IFdKb-0007FC-O3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:03:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IFdKb-0007F9-LB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:03:13 -0400 Original-Received: from fmmailgate01.web.de ([217.72.192.221]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IFdKa-0000qu-VD for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:03:13 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp06.web.de (fmsmtp06.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.172]) by fmmailgate01.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA155934C164; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:03:11 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [62.134.214.38] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by smtp06.web.de with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (WEB.DE 4.108 #197) id 1IFdKZ-0002CP-00; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:03:11 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87k5shpr4j.fsf@debby.local.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Sender: Peter_Dyballa@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18MKA651ykunzhNSZJir9k/TD5VCdH//6MqW/tL uGfD62NnogbqM90wi634bZihyYsoeXbAAUhVsWbratCPo3SgfG W8frFqBQt67neS0iykVQ== X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:46208 Archived-At: Am 30.07.2007 um 22:34 schrieb Dieter Wilhelm: >> Defective keyboard? > > I think this might be the case. Just booted a bare WinXP system > (still have it on my machines for some tax stuff) and installed Emacs > 22.1 and lo and behold neither is M-} working on Windows. Is MS Windows seeing }? Or any other Linux application? The xev trace =20= did not show the } event ... >> >> Did you check with xmodmap -pk what's mapped on that key? You can > > 8-) thanks. > > $ xmodmap -pk > > ... > 16 0x0037 (7) 0x002f (slash) 0x007b =20 > (braceleft) 0x0ac6 (seveneighths) 0x007b (braceleft) =20 > 0x0ac6 (seveneighths) > 17 0x0038 (8) 0x0028 (parenleft) 0x005b =20 > (bracketleft) 0x0ac9 (trademark) 0x005b (bracketleft) =20 > 0x0ac9 (trademark) > 18 0x0039 (9) 0x0029 (parenright) 0x005d =20 > (bracketright) 0x00b1 (plusminus) 0x005d (bracketright) =20 > 0x00b1 (plusminus) > 19 0x0030 (0) 0x003d (equal) 0x007d =20 > (braceright) 0x00b0 (degree) 0x007d (braceright) 0x00b0 =20 > (degree) > > This look right, doesn't it? Yes, it looks quite good. Obviously there are two ways to produce =20 [, ], {, or }: pressing Alt + 7, 8, 9, 0 and pressing AltGr + 7, 8, =20 9, 0. IMO pressing AltGr only selects already the next level. Have you tried to press: 7, Shift + 7, Alt + 7, Alt + Shift + 7, =20 AltGr + 7, AltGr + Shift + 7 ? This should produce 7 / { =E2=85=9E { = =E2=85=9E. Is =20 the output different when you press Alt + AltGr + 7, Alt + AltGr + =20 Shift + 7 instead of AltGr + 7, AltGr + Shift + 7 ? If not, then =20 simply forget about Alt + AltGr and use AltGr only. Do your systems have a "virtual keyboard?" Kind of an emulation that =20 shows which keys you press on your real keyboard? Maybe also allowing =20= to choose different Input Methods? Can you get another physical keyboard? -- Mit friedvollen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen Pete (This space left blank for technical reasons.)