From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: question about Meta + Shift modifiers: M-S-r and M-R Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 11:18:40 -0800 Message-ID: References: <5C78448DD5B849F9A64C2489478EC4D9@us.oracle.com><60F809C792734D2A80F3609EFB86A23B@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1359227935 29309 80.91.229.3 (26 Jan 2013 19:18:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 19:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Andreas Schwab'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 26 20:19:15 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TzBHV-0001A4-Us for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 20:19:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52812 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TzBHE-0003fg-19 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:18:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42767) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TzBHB-0003fb-EW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:18:54 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TzBH8-0000Gn-8U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:18:53 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:17186) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TzBH8-0000GK-0q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:18:50 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id r0QJIlTJ013257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Jan 2013 19:18:49 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r0QJIl9c011225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 26 Jan 2013 19:18:47 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt111.oracle.com (abhmt111.oracle.com [141.146.116.63]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r0QJIlb4029773; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:18:47 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 11:18:47 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac37+Et0/ts1bBFVR9KGXqMX8LpDAgAAK4aQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:156668 Archived-At: > > The point is that (kbd "M-S-r") binds a key that > > no one can ever type. > > Just like S-r Yes, same problem. I stand corrected that Meta is relevant here. Same suggested fixes and workaround (`M-' removed from the quote): > Either (a) have `kbd' or `define-key' reject such impossible key > sequences or (b) allow `S-r' as an additional external > representation (for `kbd') equivalent to `R', i.e., automatically > translate it in `kbd'. Maybe there are other, better proposals. > > A workaround for the problem, if you decide not to fix it, is to > try to dispel confusion by covering it explicitly in the Elisp manual.