From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bill MacAllister Newsgroups: gmane.linux.debian.devel.pkg-utopia,gmane.linux.debian.devel.general,gmane.linux.debian.devel.emacsen,gmane.emacs.help Subject: Bug#633652: emacs on a text console - please help me overcome the shock Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:18:56 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87ty99otg1.fsf@jidanni.org> Reply-To: Bill MacAllister , 633652@bugs.debian.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1314062480 31911 80.91.229.12 (23 Aug 2011 01:21:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:21:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: jidanni@jidanni.org, debian-devel@lists.debian.org, 633652@bugs.debian.org, debian-emacsen@lists.debian.org Original-X-From: pkg-utopia-maintainers-bounces+glddp-pkg-utopia-maintainers=m.gmane.org@lists.alioth.debian.org Tue Aug 23 03:21:15 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: glddp-pkg-utopia-maintainers@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from wagner.debian.org ([217.196.43.132]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qvfg2-0001qD-3g for glddp-pkg-utopia-maintainers@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 03:21:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=wagner.debian.org) by wagner.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qvfg1-0000ZQ-Sm for glddp-pkg-utopia-maintainers@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:21:13 +0000 Original-Received: from busoni.debian.org ([140.211.15.34]) by wagner.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qvffz-0000Xw-Pv for pkg-utopia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:21:12 +0000 Original-Received: from debbugs by busoni.debian.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qvffx-00045l-J2; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:21:09 +0000 X-Loop: owner@bugs.debian.org Resent-From: Bill MacAllister Resent-To: debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org Resent-CC: Utopia Maintenance Team X-Loop: owner@bugs.debian.org Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:21:08 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: X-Debian-PR-Message: followup 633652 X-Debian-PR-Package: dbus X-Debian-PR-Keywords: X-Debian-PR-Source: dbus Original-Received: via spool by 633652-submit@bugs.debian.org id=B633652.131406234514829 (code B ref 633652); Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:21:08 +0000 Original-Received: (at 633652) by bugs.debian.org; 23 Aug 2011 01:19:05 +0000 Original-Received: from smtp1.stanford.edu ([171.67.219.81] helo=smtp.stanford.edu) by busoni.debian.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qvfdx-0003qy-Fo for 633652@bugs.debian.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:19:05 +0000 Original-Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 4486B470032; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [10.0.0.32] (adsl-99-60-6-58.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net [99.60.6.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: whm) by smtp.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 16D37470150; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:18:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87ty99otg1.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.1.0a1 (Linux/x86) Content-Disposition: inline; size=1804 Resent-Sender: Debian BTS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on wagner.debian.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 x-debian-approved: yes X-BeenThere: pkg-utopia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Maintainers for pkg-utopia packages List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: pkg-utopia-maintainers-bounces+glddp-pkg-utopia-maintainers=m.gmane.org@lists.alioth.debian.org Errors-To: pkg-utopia-maintainers-bounces+glddp-pkg-utopia-maintainers=m.gmane.org@lists.alioth.debian.org X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: pkg-utopia-maintainers-bounces+glddp-pkg-utopia-maintainers=m.gmane.org@lists.alioth.debian.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on wagner.debian.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.debian.devel.pkg-utopia:9010 gmane.linux.debian.devel.general:164772 gmane.linux.debian.devel.emacsen:2696 gmane.emacs.help:82019 Archived-At: --On Tuesday, August 23, 2011 08:35:58 AM +0800 jidanni@jidanni.org wrote: >>>>>> "r" == rdiezmail-emacs writes: > r> The console mode has been a shock. There is no mouse at all. I cannot > r> navigate the menus as usual, menu-bar-open is weird and unfriendly. > r> But, worst of all, some key combinations do not work well. > But that's the way it must be here on Debian, if you are root. > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=633652 > My question is how do all those high powered Debian Developers cope? > Don't tell me they don't use emacs. > Or not as root. > Not even > when > administering their system? If you are truly using the console then it is likely that some of the issues have nothing to do with emacs and everything to do with the console terminal emulation. At a base level emacs is depending on escape sequences to move the cursor around, but I expect it is doing a lot fancier things that only a good terminal emulator will keep up with. And I would add that I don't really want anyone working on improving console terminal emulation---there are too many other things to do that need to be done and no one spends much time on the console these days. As a side note I really hate modal editors like vi and its decendents, but I know enough of it to be able to work on consoles when emacs is not installed yet or the terminal emulation is not up to it. It is just part of managing the system in my view. Finally, when I am editing text I find that a mouse slows everything down. I do just fine with character cell xterms and no mouse. I do think it is worth getting color to work when possible. The syntax highlighting helps me spot stupid errors early. Bill -- Bill MacAllister Infrastructure Delivery Group, Stanford University