From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: put value last in *Help* buffer for C-h v? Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:45:10 -0700 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1174855597 25969 80.91.229.12 (25 Mar 2007 20:46:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:46:37 +0000 (UTC) To: "Emacs-Devel" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 25 22:46:30 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HVZbh-0000pG-R0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:46:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HVZdr-0000px-TR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 15:48:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HVZdk-0000dR-NA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:48:36 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HVZdi-0000ZK-Ri for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:48:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HVZdi-0000Yp-LW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 15:48:34 -0500 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HVZbX-00080K-PE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:46:19 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (rgmgw1.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.110]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id l2PKkH7l028519 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:46:17 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt350.oracle.com (acsmt350.oracle.com [141.146.40.150]) by rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id l2PKkGEC021403 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:46:16 -0600 Original-Received: from dhcp-amer-csvpn-gw2-141-144-72-199.vpn.oracle.com by acsmt351.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2560790001174855522; Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:45:22 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:68549 Archived-At: I wonder if it wouldn't be better to systematically put the variable's value last in the *Help* buffer for `C-h v'? Consider, for example, what you see for something like `font-lock-syntax-table': font-lock-syntax-table is a variable defined in `font-lock.el'. Its value is shown below. Documentation: Non-nil means use this syntax table for fontifying. If this is nil, the major mode's syntax table is used. This is normally set via `font-lock-defaults'. Value: #^[t nil (3) (3) ... (2) nil syntax-table] syntax-table] Local in buffer font-lock.el; global value is nil [back] The "..." here represents 12,228 lines. This is an extreme case, of course, but wouldn't it always be best to put the value last? The information about the local and global values, and the [back] button, are more convenient if presented before the value, no? We might also consider placing a second [back] button after the value, if it is longer than, say, 50 lines.