From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9074: 24.0.50; problems trying to mail bug report, again Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 15:37:51 -0700 Message-ID: References: <3663BA016BAB46B3970AF42151AA73C4@us.oracle.com><19998.12336.856901.912384@fencepost.gnu.org><0B0D5E9653C044619A7E666BB31A90E3@us.oracle.com><877h7lz2n2.fsf@gmx.li><319A1AE11254433E913464E53A257FD4@us.oracle.com><9707E51C3F48486F8F5546673697E43C@us.oracle.com><46232DA8B2B14A4DA18949CDFE99F65A@us.oracle.com><059E8C62D7164AD8A42B4A2C371650C0@us.oracle.com><3F4300D071A74EB4AA103F2C062576A5@us.oracle.com><87aabp1dgq.fsf@gnu.org> <9C21B0A97EEE4584BC4D0E5E7D1ECB25@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1312929543 29774 80.91.229.12 (9 Aug 2011 22:39:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 22:39:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen' To: <9074@debbugs.gnu.org> Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 10 00:38:59 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qquwt-0002zd-If for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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It's been a month now... Users with `emacs -Q' should not need to edit the `From' field if they are going to use mailclient anyway. This was a silly, misguided, and retrograde change to Emacs. It should be reverted as soon as possible. It just acts as one more confusing obstacle, especially for newbies. As in the past, users should simply be asked whether they want to send the message - nothing more. If you want to encourage users to configure mail for SMTP or anything else, that should be outside the context of a bug report. That is, unless configuration is absolutely necessary before the message can be sent. But that should be determined only after an attempt is made to send the message. And mailclient should be the default, in any case. If you want to push Emacs users to also use Gnus or a particular mail client/method, please do it outside of Emacs bug reporting.