From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: if vs. when vs. and: style question Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:02:36 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87sicvwckx.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> <87wq27yvqg.fsf@debian.uxu> <8d531e99-7260-4263-ac99-09c6871e2708@googlegroups.com> <87vbhq53lf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87a8z23p23.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87lhilx0cf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87twx9360u.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <0d1d19ab-06e9-462d-8867-9a49b1e232d3@googlegroups.com> <87lhil2io1.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87pp7w12gn.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <21779.58039.301826.628047@mail.eng.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1427375020 1585 80.91.229.3 (26 Mar 2015 13:03:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 13:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Gian Uberto Lauri Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 26 14:03:28 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yb7RR-0007dq-Om for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:03:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44428 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yb7RQ-0006pt-VK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:03:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33554) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yb7RF-0006oc-5e for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:03:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yb7RA-00084C-5j for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:03:09 -0400 Original-Received: from hubble.informatimago.com ([5.9.56.230]:58964) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yb7R9-00081O-Tl for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:03:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.7.8] (AMontsouris-654-1-247-72.w90-44.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.44.190.72]) by hubble.informatimago.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 891665A4071; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:02:37 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <21779.58039.301826.628047@mail.eng.it> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 5.9.56.230 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:103358 Archived-At: > On 26 Mar 2015, at 11:43, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: >=20 > Pascal J. Bourguignon writes: >> "Gian Uberto Lauri" writes: >>=20 >>> Dan Espen writes: >>>=20 >>>> My mind is made up, but interesting info like how to type Greek >>>> are one reason why I commented at all. I think keyboards and >>>> keys are an important issue and the current state of the art falls >>>> far short. Some important keys are completely missing. >>>=20 >>> There are factories producing keyboards with cherry switches and two = or >>> three rows of "L(num)" keys on the right side. They are backlit and = some >>> models have customizable light color. >>=20 >> If you go the keyboard way, then what you want is an Optimus Maximus >> keyboard. >> http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/maximus/ >=20 > I know it, but it is not mechanical, damn expensive and, AFAIK, not > GNU/Linux friendly. >=20 >>> Just my 2 cents. >>=20 >> This 2-cents is what leads to Chinese ideograms. >>=20 >> Not really a progress. >=20 > Not this true. AFAIK Chinese (and Arabs - or at least is true in > Lebanon) do use western keyboard with something that transliterates > back to their alphabet from a western (English) transliteration. It > seems they are prevented from using their own mother tongue at the > hardware level :). Indeed and this is my point. Alphabet is a great invention. =20 The idea that you can build all the words (all the symbols) of the = dictionary from a small set if discrete letters by a simple = agglutination rule. Notice that Korean script is alphabetic, syllabes look like ideograms, = but they have actually a simple alphabetic basis, which makes it easy to = type. But this script was defined after the invention of the printing = press. Usual mathematic notation is hieroglyfic. It doesn't need to be. http://www.infoq.com/presentations/We-Really-Dont-Know-How-To-Compute = http://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/titles/content/sicm/book.html --=20 __Pascal J. Bourguignon__