From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] About the :distant-foreground face attribute Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 07:39:35 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87bnzo9cja.fsf@gnu.org> <59B7E7FC-48D0-4737-B1BB-FFAC5BA9E07A@swipnet.se> <874n5f3162.fsf@gnu.org> <83fvozf86g.fsf@gnu.org> <87r48javwe.fsf@gnu.org> <83bnzmfjxe.fsf@gnu.org> <52D3E689.6050902@dancol.org> <8E16225F-53EF-498A-AB35-66EB9B33B859@swipnet.se> <52D43360.6050605@dancol.org> <9BD01B88-AF13-44DD-8DBE-4598BAC136DD@swipnet.se> <52D45C73.6090906@dancol.org> <52D4EBA9.8050802@swipnet.se> <52D4F2C2.8080800@dancol.org> <52D504A7.80104@swipnet.se> <52D514FF.7010404@dancol.org> <52D52312.6070106@swipnet.se> <52D58632.3010106@dancol.org> <381DEBDC-71D8-4FAC-BA55-897FEC73A2FC@swipnet.se> <52D5A072.5010508@dancol.org> <064CFFB5-6E50-40D5-B2CB-2BECC656D93F@swipnet.se> <52D60DC3.8010803@dancol.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1389768007 10245 80.91.229.3 (15 Jan 2014 06:40:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 06:40:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Chong Yidong , Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel To: Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 15 07:40:08 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W3K91-0006DK-Sr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 07:40:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52439 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W3K91-0005N3-2k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 01:40:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33508) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W3K8s-0005Kg-UQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 01:40:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W3K8m-0002Tp-Jb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 01:39:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mailfe04.swip.net ([212.247.154.97]:39417 helo=swip.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W3K8Z-0002SB-3i; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 01:39:39 -0500 X-T2-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 Original-Received: from hosdjarv.se (account mj138573@tele2.se [46.59.42.57] verified) by mailfe04.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with ESMTPA id 467388930; Wed, 15 Jan 2014 07:39:36 +0100 In-Reply-To: <52D60DC3.8010803@dancol.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 212.247.154.97 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:168434 Archived-At: Hello. 15 jan 2014 kl. 05:25 skrev Daniel Colascione : > On 01/14/2014 08:22 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> Well, my position is not to revert, so by doing that nobody is = happy. >>> Why is that good? Anyway, as I said before, this is Stefans call. >>> But I always assumed we are talking post-release here as your code >>> clearly don't belong in a feature freeze. Again, Stefans call. >>=20 >> In the short term, indeed, Daniel's patch is too new for 24.4. >> But in the longer term, I like the idea of being able to write Elisp >> code to fine-tune the colors. >>=20 >> So the :distant-foreground might not be useful after 24.4. >>=20 >> IOW, if we keep it for 24.4, I think we should hide it so we can = remove >> it later. Not sure how to do that, tho. >>=20 >> What do you guys think? >=20 > Right. There's a dilemma here --- that's why I'm suggesting we should = revert to 24.3 behavior and, for the next release, implement the = functionality in a more general way. I don't think the original bug is a = release blocker. Just mark and document :distant-foreground as deprecated if you know now = that it will be changed. I do think the bug fix should be in the = release. Why should we make Emacs have less usability that Eclipse, = XCode and Visual Studio? Makes no sense to me. Jan D.