From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Ludwig, Mark" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: Issues with emacs Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:49:00 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87bokbb4zw.fsf@gnu.org> <83086e1d-d66a-4e0c-95a7-92d10a6de7e7@f8g2000pbf.googlegroups.com> <87r4t3krun.fsf@friendface.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1340740171 3415 80.91.229.3 (26 Jun 2012 19:49:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:49:31 +0000 (UTC) To: notbob , "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 26 21:49:30 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SjblP-0006cc-SM for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 21:49:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51104 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SjblP-0008SB-S9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:49:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45425) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SjblK-0008Rp-Jk for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:49:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SjblJ-0000Xb-0H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:49:22 -0400 Original-Received: from usslmhub002.ugs.com ([134.244.32.85]:56104 helo=ugs.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SjblI-0000WE-SK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:49:20 -0400 Original-Received: from USSLMMBX002.net.plm.eds.com (161.134.138.62) by USSLMHUB002.net.plm.eds.com (134.244.32.85) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:49:01 -0500 Original-Received: from USSLMMBX003.net.plm.eds.com ([169.254.2.245]) by USSLMMBX002.net.plm.eds.com ([169.254.1.240]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:49:01 -0500 Thread-Topic: Issues with emacs Thread-Index: AQHNU9HbqoKvvh1fsUWSCEZ392DAjpcM/nZg In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [146.122.71.14] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Windows 2000 SP2+, XP SP1+ (seldom 98) X-Received-From: 134.244.32.85 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:85491 Archived-At: > From: notbob > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:28 PM > To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Issues with emacs >=20 > I realize emacs would be much more useful if I was a programmer, > particularly a lisp programmer, but I'm not. =20 This summarizes the split among the Emacs user community that I see in this= discussion thread. Those of us who are programmer types are probably a lo= t happier with Emacs as it is (and as it has been since its start many deca= des ago) than those who aren't programmer types. Partly it's mindset, but = also gets to depth of knowledge about how to use the tool -- and how to cha= nge what it does/how it works. Regarding bloat, an analogy: if all you ever need is one specific knife bla= de, a Swiss Army Knife will seem to have a lot of bloat. Cheers, Mark