From: "Ludwig, Mark" <ludwig.mark@siemens.com>
To: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: Emacs: Problems of the Scratch Buffer
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:33:07 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <BC5672F8AD4C054BAF167C9801500D1A78D49C23@USSLMMBX003.net.plm.eds.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877gxdyo3w.fsf@dod.no>
> From: Steinar Bang
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:57 AM
> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Emacs: Problems of the Scratch Buffer
>
> >>>>> Xah Lee <xahlee@gmail.com>:
>
> > 3.The “*scratch*” “buffer” is a INTRUSIVE IDIOSYNCRASY. New users are
> > not familiar what it is. It is the first thing presented to users,
>
> No it's not.
>
> The first thing presented to users is the banner buffer.
Not consistently, and it would be more useful if it just sat there indefinitely. It times out, right? Also, if you touch any key that it isn't expecting, it disappears, doesn't it?
At the moment, "emacs -Q" (23.1 on Windows) is dropping me into *scratch* ... (*shrug*) but I know I sometimes see that banner.... I thought I understood this, but anyway it's making the original argument rather well, I think.
Anyway, I've been an Emacs Lisp hacker for >20 years, and I very rarely use *scratch*; when I do, it has never been first thing I wanted to do.... (I also rather dislike the 'reuse' characteristics that keep placing newer output from repeated Lisp expressions at the end....)
Cheers,
Mark
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Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-04-18 12:00 Emacs: Problems of the Scratch Buffer Xah Lee
2012-04-18 12:31 ` Joe Corneli
2012-04-18 16:57 ` Steinar Bang
2012-04-18 17:33 ` Ludwig, Mark [this message]
2012-04-18 18:15 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-04-18 18:16 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-04-19 21:08 ` Steinar Bang
[not found] ` <mailman.169.1334770417.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-18 21:11 ` Chiron
2012-04-18 23:56 ` Ludwig, Mark
2012-04-19 10:34 ` Tassilo Horn
2012-04-18 17:01 ` Mark Skilbeck
2012-04-18 19:33 ` Aaron Meurer
2012-04-18 20:22 ` Deniz Dogan
2012-04-19 5:55 ` Kevin Rodgers
2012-04-19 5:58 ` Kevin Rodgers
2012-04-19 20:47 ` Bug Dout
2012-04-19 21:11 ` Chiron
2012-04-19 22:41 ` Ludwig, Mark
[not found] ` <mailman.260.1334875302.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-20 3:27 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-04-20 3:53 ` Aaron Meurer
2012-04-20 11:08 ` Fritz Wuehler
2012-04-20 11:48 ` Richard Riley
[not found] ` <mailman.304.1334922534.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21 3:53 ` Chiron
2012-04-21 8:16 ` Joost Kremers
2012-04-21 12:43 ` Chiron
2012-04-21 12:47 ` Jambunathan K
2012-04-21 14:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.373.1335012467.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21 14:42 ` Chiron
2012-04-21 14:49 ` Joe Corneli
[not found] ` <mailman.381.1335019797.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21 15:04 ` Chiron
[not found] ` <mailman.379.1335017454.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21 14:46 ` Chiron
2012-04-21 15:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-04-21 16:15 ` Dan Espen
2012-04-21 16:58 ` Chiron
[not found] ` <mailman.389.1335022448.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21 16:32 ` Chiron
2012-04-21 16:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.396.1335027140.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21 17:09 ` Chiron
2012-04-21 17:36 ` Dan Espen
2012-04-21 23:01 ` Bastien
2012-04-23 11:52 ` Joost Kremers
2012-04-24 7:40 ` rusi
2012-04-24 11:35 ` Richard Riley
2012-04-24 13:44 ` ken
2012-04-25 10:39 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-04-25 12:41 ` ken
2012-04-25 21:51 ` Jambunathan K
[not found] ` <mailman.42.1335390728.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-26 17:25 ` rusi
2012-04-26 17:48 ` Bastien
[not found] ` <mailman.619.1335350542.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-26 19:08 ` Xah Lee
2012-04-24 14:33 ` Dan Espen
2012-04-24 18:40 ` PJ Weisberg
2012-04-21 8:36 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-04-21 9:48 ` Joe Corneli
[not found] ` <mailman.362.1334997514.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21 12:35 ` Chiron
2012-04-21 13:31 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-04-21 15:01 ` Chiron
2012-04-21 14:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.378.1335017298.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21 14:52 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-04-21 15:15 ` Jambunathan K
2012-04-21 16:03 ` Jambunathan K
2012-04-21 14:59 ` Chiron
2012-04-21 15:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.390.1335022565.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21 16:47 ` Chiron
2012-04-21 17:07 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
[not found] ` <mailman.398.1335028190.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21 17:14 ` Chiron
2012-04-21 17:47 ` Juanma Barranquero
[not found] ` <mailman.401.1335030473.751.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-04-21 18:03 ` Chiron
2012-04-21 21:34 ` Jason Earl
2012-04-21 14:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-04-21 15:03 ` Chiron
2012-04-20 11:31 ` Martin
2012-04-21 3:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-04-21 3:25 ` Dan Espen
2012-04-21 14:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-04-21 16:08 ` Dan Espen
2012-04-21 16:50 ` Chiron
2012-04-21 17:30 ` Dan Espen
2012-04-21 22:13 ` Ludwig, Mark
2012-04-22 10:00 ` Petter Gustad
2012-04-22 10:27 ` Richard Riley
2012-06-12 19:25 ` Nikolai Alekseev
2012-06-12 19:24 ` Nikolai Alekseev
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