Distances between characters become larger

Distances between characters become larger

[Herbert Euler]

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Hi,

The newest CVS Emacs chooses a different font when started with the -Q
option.  Meanwhile, the distances between characters become extremely
larger.  I have configured to let the xft backend take precedence over
the x backend by adding "Emacs*FontBackend: xft, x" into
~/.Xresources.  I'm not sure if this is my configuration problem (may
or may not be Emacs related configuration) or not.  The logs both
before and after the checkout have been attached.  What should I do
fix this weird behavior?  Thanks.

Regards,
Guanpeng Xu

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  -unknown-ËÎÌå-·½Õý³¬´ó×Ö·û¼¯-normal-normal-normal-*-0-iso8859-1
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  -unknown-Penguin Attack-normal-normal-normal-*-0-iso8859-1
  -unknown-ÎĶ¦PLϸÉϺ£ËÎUni-normal-normal-normal-*-0-iso8859-1
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RE: Distances between characters become larger

[Herbert Euler]

> Meanwhile, the distances between characters become extremely
> larger.

More precisely, for each character C that

  (string-width (char-to-string c))

is 1, Emacs displays it as if the width were 2.

Regards,
Guanpeng Xu
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Re: Distances between characters become larger

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <BAY143-W6EF2C796588DE795F2107DAAA0@phx.gbl>, Herbert Euler <herberteuler@hotmail.com> writes:

> The newest CVS Emacs chooses a different font when started with the -Q
> option.  Meanwhile, the distances between characters become extremely
> larger.  I have configured to let the xft backend take precedence over
> the x backend by adding "Emacs*FontBackend: xft, x" into
> ~/.Xresources.

There should be no space after ",".  I'll fix the parsing
routine to allow extra spacing soon, but please try with
"xft,x" at the moment.

By the way, old-font-log says this is the first font opened:
  -unknown-宋体-方正超大字符集-normal-normal-normal-*-0-iso8859-1
and new-font-log says:
  -unknown-宋体-18030-normal-normal-normal-*-0-iso8859-1

Do you mean that the former is surely the font you want?

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@ni.aist.go.jp

RE: Distances between characters become larger

[Herbert Euler]

>> The newest CVS Emacs chooses a different font when started with the -Q
>> option.  Meanwhile, the distances between characters become extremely
>> larger.  I have configured to let the xft backend take precedence over
>> the x backend by adding "Emacs*FontBackend: xft, x" into
>> ~/.Xresources.
>
> There should be no space after ",".  I'll fix the parsing
> routine to allow extra spacing soon, but please try with
> "xft,x" at the moment.

After deleting the space, `emacs -Q' behaves exactly the same as the
behavior before the changing of preference to backends was introduced.
This means that, both the "old" behavior and the "new" behavior I
mentioned in previous mail are not what are supposed to be.  So it
doesn't count.

> By the way, old-font-log says this is the first font opened:
>   -unknown-宋体-方正超大字符集-normal-normal-normal-*-0-iso8859-1
> and new-font-log says:
>   -unknown-宋体-18030-normal-normal-normal-*-0-iso8859-1
>
> Do you mean that the former is surely the font you want?

I just notice that it is indeed not Emacs' fault of displaying all
characters as two units of width with the latter font, it is perhaps
due to my improper configuration of X and/or Font Config: Other
programs display characters as two units of width too with it.

As the result, I'm sure I prefer the former one over the latter one,
as long as I can't fix the display of the latter one for X.

Regards,
Guanpeng Xu
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Re: Distances between characters become larger

[Thien-Thi Nguyen]

() Herbert Euler <herberteuler@hotmail.com>
() Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:00:11 +0800

   deleting the space [...] doesn't count.

Did you do xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources after changing that file?

thi

RE: Distances between characters become larger

[Herbert Euler]

>    deleting the space [...] doesn't count.
> 
> Did you do xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources after changing that file?

Sure.  Otherwise changes aren't applied.

Regards,
Guanpeng Xu
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