From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim Cross Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Feature change or bug - Emacs server Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:18:41 +1000 Message-ID: References: <4df63f95.a511440a.7545.ffffce92@mx.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0050450168f52b7f7004a5a37ec4 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1308029340 26645 80.91.229.12 (14 Jun 2011 05:29:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 05:29:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "T.V Raman" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 14 07:28:55 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QWMBK-0001GQ-Rl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:28:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42795 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWMBJ-0007k4-QW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:28:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:58935) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWK9N-0000QJ-Vg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 23:18:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWK9L-00050N-Pi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 23:18:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-iw0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169]:60656) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QWK9L-00050J-EN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 23:18:43 -0400 Original-Received: by iwg8 with SMTP id 8so6034790iwg.0 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:18:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Zu4ET8G+SWkETzqIspV4a3644nwvk+j1ZX4GG5MueG0=; b=wXaShQRSLX2WxOP/uv/GRXFRZwGVQoXePuIJmpMi31xGdtxiWra1CCbPEl5p65F/UG 3PNB/lsBOqJlEqbvGuByf8Pb24xszeT2nQY+f2dJ9YRYnOT8QpxyT3a0Z8QTpmYaNMUs 7mbg3QWEyceCuZqcXzgg1A50EZxtyqR7CJ4O0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=YJUW1c9lyT4Cz5ik1MpgwpZs0wq7HIqnKePX5ogEXEULyAdOuxnYADdF8BzR7UyHCH 6j3zGab27Q/vFS3QbZTy1vMQQi7NChdt5cKMwSnMZQ7RwCySnDgZ622VY0dDIuyYWP6w JJofI6Tj+9q8tqtufK/LnrHjxTFW3IMIafr5E= Original-Received: by 10.231.202.82 with SMTP id fd18mr6012162ibb.106.1308021521874; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.231.32.72 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:18:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4df63f95.a511440a.7545.ffffce92@mx.google.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.214.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140449 Archived-At: --0050450168f52b7f7004a5a37ec4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:49 AM, T.V Raman wrote: > Ted, > > 1+ on not attempting to implement what you call the pile of > undefined / open-ended Web specs in Emacs -- I say this even > though I would love to have a full-fledged browser in Emacs. > > Eventually, I think we should connect emacs to Firefox and / or > Chrome over a socket -- mozrepl for Firefox did a lot of this, > but appears to have stalled. Chrome has a socket-level debugging > protocol that could be leveraged for this -- google searches > showed an early glimpse of this at github. > > Tim, that may be something you might want to look at. > > As someone who "already" uses Emacs as the desktop (via > Emacspeak), I definitely think emacs-panel.el could make the > Emacspeak Audio Desktop even better -- and I look forward to > it. One of the first things I would want is to mimic things like > nm-applet -- today, that's one of the few things I find > impossible to do without waving a mouse at the Gnome GUI. > > Yes, looking at how emacs to interface with existing browsers would be something I'd enjoy looking at and is already on the TODO list. I have a cople of other projects to complete first. One thing I really need to do is get back up to speed in web technology. For the last 10 years, nearly all my work has been focused on other areas, noteably database development and more recently identity and access management. Meanwhile, the web world has moved on quite a long way from what I was doing in the late 90s. One thing I really want to do first is get up to speed with D-Bus. In particular, I want to see if it can be used to improve the interface to an espeak based speech server for emacspeak. Just got to make the space to do it! Tim --0050450168f52b7f7004a5a37ec4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:49 AM, T.V Ram= an <tv.raman.tv@gmail.com> wrote:
Ted,

1+ on not attempting to implement =A0what you call the pile of
undefined / open-ended Web specs in Emacs -- I say this even
though I would love to have a full-fledged browser in Emacs.

Eventually, I think we should connect emacs to Firefox and / or
Chrome over a socket -- mozrepl for Firefox did a lot of this,
but appears to have stalled. Chrome has a socket-level debugging
protocol that could be leveraged for this -- google searches
showed an early glimpse of this at github.

Tim, that may be something you might want to look at.

As someone who "already" uses Emacs as the desktop (via
Emacspeak), I definitely think emacs-panel.el could make the
Emacspeak Audio Desktop even better -- and I look forward to
it. One of the first things I would want is to mimic things like
nm-applet -- today, that's one of the few things I find
impossible to do without waving a mouse at the Gnome GUI.

Yes, look= ing at how emacs to interface with existing browsers would be something I&#= 39;d enjoy looking at and is already on the TODO list. I have a cople of ot= her projects to complete first. One thing I really need to do is get back u= p to speed in web technology. For the last 10 years, nearly all my work has= been focused on other areas, noteably database development and more recent= ly identity and access management. Meanwhile, the web world has moved on qu= ite a long way from what I was doing in the late 90s.=A0

One thing I really want to do first is get up to speed = with D-Bus. In particular, I want to see if it can be used to improve the i= nterface to an espeak based speech server for emacspeak. Just got to make t= he space to do it!

Tim=A0
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