From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "T.V. Raman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Using gnutls.c by default Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 08:05:23 -0700 Message-ID: References: <8739kxvvc6.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4DBF352E.4010103@gmail.com> <87oc3hh1if.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87d3jxz1q0.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874o59z01p.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1304780743 8521 80.91.229.12 (7 May 2011 15:05:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 15:05:43 +0000 (UTC) To: Ted Zlatanov , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 07 17:05:35 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QIj4W-0005oR-17 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 May 2011 17:05:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39845 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QIj4V-0006dv-7e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 May 2011 11:05:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:60456) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QIj4R-0006dZ-Ke for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2011 11:05:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QIj4P-0008Be-P1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2011 11:05:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-vx0-f169.google.com ([209.85.220.169]:62636) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QIj4P-0008BY-Lt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2011 11:05:25 -0400 Original-Received: by vxk20 with SMTP id 20so5811381vxk.0 for ; Sat, 07 May 2011 08:05:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=IQ917WrU6TGFLEWZX5D4fjdvZnnCZZ/IhFEzubYwMaA=; b=F69bkFdkk0/+wVaqJXV5e0inXxTFNZrVHBmwNpXLL1EobrkQj6sr46RVWWQDXJttfr tcvfsVFHT/x4PXajr1N7VzzuRwXxhzxojokXeGl6Ba6S1Zas1K3WMpAuyc+YRWKQF4i5 l8iugVGVrZti7qyJTsWpm8rrh79tAU5br4ips= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=rpHWAWG5IE9OR9Wz5otaS24YESDDasdMuEVvGhVeNanNxrj9fLARH17AOTBSC10bFV VRBibnx5bfmEnzX8aiTSUozDEeSSEGuXsMBa1JDQir45Yv5eZXAZUga+m9kcLVX+/rUP MKyqNHiDr/KlhgsQDQRcCnEhBK4HejfVqP3No= Original-Received: by 10.52.98.5 with SMTP id ee5mr3183446vdb.200.1304780724019; Sat, 07 May 2011 08:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.52.182.8 with HTTP; Sat, 7 May 2011 08:05:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <874o59z01p.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.220.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:139203 Archived-At: In that case, could we support slightly older versions of gnutls? Apparently there is no prebuilt package for gnutls 2.6 on Jaunty -- I'm going to install it from source. But I suspect the average user is going to get burnt. -- Best Regards, --raman -- Best Regards, --raman On 5/5/11, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > On Thu, 05 May 2011 16:16:44 +0200 Robert Pluim wrote: > > RP> Ted Zlatanov writes: >>> On Thu, 5 May 2011 13:57:48 +0200 Juanma Barranquero >>> wrote: >>> > JB> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 13:50, Andy Moreton > wrote: >>>>> It would be better to wait a week or two until there has been some >>>>> feedback about use of GnuTLS on Win32. >>> > JB> We're talking about the trunk. Supporting GnuTLS by default is what > JB> will give us feedback, at least on Windows, where (much) fewer people > JB> is expected to build their own Emacs. >>> >>> So far it's 5 to 1 votes in favor; I think it's badly needed on W32 >>> where there are serious problems with the alternatives to GnuTLS. >>> >>> Note that the user still has to (require 'gnutls) to use it. We're just >>> adding the library support to Emacs. Without (require 'gnutls) >>> `open-network-stream' won't use `gnutls-negotiate'. > > RP> Oh, I thought Lars was proposing to go further than that, and always use > RP> GnuTLS if available. Makes no difference to my opinion, GnuTLS works for > RP> me :) > > After re-reading the thread, you're right. Sorry for the confusion, I > thought it was just about adding the library support. > > So this proposal is to enable GnuTLS support for all the builds, > including W32, and then to make (require 'gnutls) unnecessary because it > will be done by `open-network-stream' by default. The user has to > explicitly turn off gnutls.el support in order to get the old behavior. > > Ted > > >