From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Reuben Thomas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#8492: 23.3; Time to use a different binding for completion? Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 20:34:46 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87zknuhxl4.fsf@sc3d.org> <773F1105A680404C90121E510917AFAF@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1303414660 28540 80.91.229.12 (21 Apr 2011 19:37:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:37:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 8492@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 21 21:37:35 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QCzgy-0007Y1-Se for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 21:37:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38967 helo=lists2.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QCzgy-0005aU-6e for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:37:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:51022) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QCzgv-0005aO-OI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:37:30 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QCzgu-0006XO-LJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:37:29 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:52900) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QCzgu-0006XK-IX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:37:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QCzgU-00012y-57; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:37:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Reuben Thomas Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 8492 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 8492-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B8492.13034145673964 (code B ref 8492); Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:37:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 8492) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Apr 2011 19:36:07 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QCzfb-00011s-Gh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:36:07 -0400 Original-Received: from exprod7og123.obsmtp.com ([64.18.2.24]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QCzfY-0000zt-HW for 8492@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:36:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pv0-f178.google.com ([74.125.83.178]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob123.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTbCG1mX2sL+g3bAmnPw9g4MQUUkDGlFd@postini.com; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 12:34:53 PDT Original-Received: by pvg7 with SMTP id 7so34878pvg.23 for <8492@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 12:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.68.50.133 with SMTP id c5mr396645pbo.400.1303414486342; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 12:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.68.59.198 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 12:34:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:37:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:45927 Archived-At: On 21 April 2011 19:49, Lennart Borgman wrote: > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Drew Adams wrote= : >>> >> > Currently, the "usable default" is ESC TAB. >>> >> >>> >> Which does not work at all if you use Viper. >>> > >>> > We should not change Emacs default bindings based on the >>> > bindings of Viper - or of any other emulator - or of any >>> > other mode etc. >>> >>> Thanks for your view, Drew, but I found this statement of you just >>> unusable and unnecessary here. >> >> You claim that a given default key "does not work at all" if you put you= rself in >> a special emulation mode. =A0So what? =A0If I play chess in checkers mod= e should I >> expect the default, chess binding of each piece to still "work" in check= ers? > > This is just plain stupid. Viper is not just any emulation mode. It > happen to be key bindings a lot of potential and current Emacs users > knows. I don't understand why there's even an argument here. Viper is a mode with a radically different approach to keybinding, so what does it have to do with the default keybindings? It's clearly unreasonable to expect default single-chord keybindings to take it into account. --=20 http://rrt.sc3d.org