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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" <eliz@gnu.org>, "'Tassilo Horn'" <tsdh@gnu.org>,
	"'Alan Mackenzie'" <acm@muc.de>
Cc: aidalgol@no8wireless.co.nz, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Fontless Info
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:58:31 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BACC1EBCF9B742B392291479DE15885C@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83r4kcp95y.fsf@gnu.org>

> This happens because font-lock-mode gets turned off in Info buffers.
> Type "M-x font-lock-mode RET", and all the niceties are back.  (You
> could guess that this is the problem if you'd go to the un-decorated
> text and type "M-x describe-text-properties RET" there.)

The same thing is true for the symptoms of bug #13751:
font locking gets turned off in Emacs Lisp buffers if you do 
 (add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook 'turn-on-font-lock)
and in Dired buffers if you use Dired+.

In all such cases, `M-x font-lock-mode' turns it back on, but it should never
have been turned off.

> The reason seems to be the changes in revision 111794: their result is
> that, after Info mode is turned on and turns on font-lock, font-lock
> is turned off again by something called
> global-font-lock-mode-check-buffers.

But the definition of `global-font-lock-mode-check-buffers' has not changed
since before this regression was introduced, AFAICT.  Nothing in its file,
font-core.el, was changed.

It is the definition of `define-globalized-minor-mode' that was changed,
radically it seems.

`C-h f global-font-lock-mode-check-buffers' shows no doc string but tells us it
is a compiled function in `font-core.el'.  There is however no explicit
definition of it in that file.  It is created by `define-globalized-minor-mode'.


Our help system sends the user on a wild goose chase here.  S?he has no hope of
reorientation and finding a way out of the swamp.  You can't get there from
here.

Emacs seems to be little-by-little losing its character of being
self-documenting, by the use more and more of macros that generate functions
without doc.  And by the use more and more of `defstruct' without providing doc
for accessor etc. functions.  Dommage.

At the very least (and no, it would by no means be a substitute for documenting
the resulting objects themselves), the doc for `define-globalized-minor-mode'
should mention the objects that it creates, such as function
`MODE-check-buffers'.

> Since the voodoo of easy-mmode is beyond me, I'll let others fix this.

Hear, hear.  "Easy", indeed.  Easy for those defining things, perhaps.  Hard on
Emacs users.  Dommage.




  reply	other threads:[~2013-02-19 17:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-02-19  8:01 Fontless Info Aidan Gauland
2013-02-19 10:16 ` Tassilo Horn
2013-02-19 15:00   ` Drew Adams
2013-02-19 16:33     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-02-19 16:20   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-02-19 17:58     ` Drew Adams [this message]
2013-02-19 18:48       ` Drew Adams
2013-02-19 20:53         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-02-19 21:05           ` Drew Adams
2013-02-19 21:21             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-02-19 21:25               ` Drew Adams
2013-02-20 11:08             ` Michael Heerdegen
2013-02-19 21:14           ` Drew Adams
2013-02-19 23:23       ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-02-20  4:02         ` Drew Adams
2013-02-19 23:10     ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-02-20 10:58       ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-02-23  4:58       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-02-24 18:08         ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-02-26  5:43           ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-02-19 16:58 ` Glenn Morris

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