* bug#9362: 24.0.50; Explain in manual(s) Dired/ls permissions listing on Windows
@ 2011-08-24 16:05 Drew Adams
2011-09-11 2:12 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Drew Adams @ 2011-08-24 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw
To: 9362
emacs -Q
I see no explanation in the Emacs manual (for Dired) or in the Elisp
manual (wrt file attributes or somewhere else) about what `ls' (hence
Dired) lists wrt file permissions on Windows.
The doc string of `file-attributes' is also pretty silent about this -
it says simply "file modes" (doesn't even use the word "permissions").
Some explanation should be given about permissions. I'm using FAT32,
for instance, and I see `x' for all directories and for no files.
`chmod' with `+x' or `-x' has no effect, and with no message. No doubt
this is due to Windows not supporting this. But that should be
explained - documented.
In Dired we show some permissions that apparently have no real meaning
on Windows (FAT, at least), and we provide a command (`chmod') which on
Windows does not do everything its doc says. OK, I'm using Cygwin for
the UNIX `chmod', but regardless, there should be some explanation of
these things in the manual(s).
In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
of 2011-08-22 on 3249CTO
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600
configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.5) --no-opt'
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* bug#9362: 24.0.50; Explain in manual(s) Dired/ls permissions listing on Windows
2011-08-24 16:05 bug#9362: 24.0.50; Explain in manual(s) Dired/ls permissions listing on Windows Drew Adams
@ 2011-09-11 2:12 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-11 2:25 ` Lennart Borgman
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2011-09-11 2:12 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Drew Adams; +Cc: 9362
"Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
> Some explanation should be given about permissions. I'm using FAT32,
> for instance, and I see `x' for all directories and for no files.
> `chmod' with `+x' or `-x' has no effect, and with no message. No doubt
> this is due to Windows not supporting this. But that should be
> explained - documented.
Isn't explaining how file permissions on various file systems kinda
beyond the scope of the Emacs manual?
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/
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* bug#9362: 24.0.50; Explain in manual(s) Dired/ls permissions listing on Windows
2011-09-11 2:12 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2011-09-11 2:25 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-09-11 14:44 ` Drew Adams
2016-04-28 11:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 2 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Lennart Borgman @ 2011-09-11 2:25 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 9362
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 04:12, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
> "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
>
>> Some explanation should be given about permissions. I'm using FAT32,
>> for instance, and I see `x' for all directories and for no files.
>> `chmod' with `+x' or `-x' has no effect, and with no message. No doubt
>> this is due to Windows not supporting this. But that should be
>> explained - documented.
>
> Isn't explaining how file permissions on various file systems kinda
> beyond the scope of the Emacs manual?
Isn't this is about what Emacs does, not about the various file systems?
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* bug#9362: 24.0.50; Explain in manual(s) Dired/ls permissions listing on Windows
2011-09-11 2:25 ` Lennart Borgman
@ 2011-09-11 14:44 ` Drew Adams
2016-04-28 11:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2011-09-11 14:44 UTC (permalink / raw
To: 'Lennart Borgman', 'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'; +Cc: 9362
> > Isn't explaining how file permissions on various file systems kinda
> > beyond the scope of the Emacs manual?
>
> Isn't this is about what Emacs does, not about the various
> file systems?
Exactly. The _Emacs_ `ls' command is not sufficiently documented. In
particular, what it does on Windows is special and needs to be described.
Otherwise the output is meaningless to users. `ls' is an Emacs command. No
outside doc for Windows will tell a user what it does. Likewise, `dired'.
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* bug#9362: 24.0.50; Explain in manual(s) Dired/ls permissions listing on Windows
2011-09-11 2:25 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-09-11 14:44 ` Drew Adams
@ 2016-04-28 11:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2016-04-28 11:14 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Lennart Borgman; +Cc: 9362
Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes:
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 04:12, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
>> "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
>>
>>> Some explanation should be given about permissions. I'm using FAT32,
>>> for instance, and I see `x' for all directories and for no files.
>>> `chmod' with `+x' or `-x' has no effect, and with no message. No doubt
>>> this is due to Windows not supporting this. But that should be
>>> explained - documented.
>>
>> Isn't explaining how file permissions on various file systems kinda
>> beyond the scope of the Emacs manual?
>
> Isn't this is about what Emacs does, not about the various file systems?
Emacs displays this OS-specific information, sure, but I still think
this is beyond the scope of Emacs documentation. Closing.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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