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[71.174.239.102]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t10-20020a37ea0a000000b006a8b6848556sm16759224qkj.7.2022.06.22.07.30.43 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Jun 2022 07:30:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83bkukkepg.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.100.31) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:235030 Archived-At: On Jun 22, 2022, at 9:30 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> I could inhibit messages for those two but it seems a little messy. > > Please don't: those messages are both informative and important. The context was in my own config. Could you explain why you find them important? Why is it important that I know recent is trimming some items when it reaches its max limit? That's just normal behavior. Why is it important I know how many commands repeat-mode affects? Other minor-modes (like cua-mode) don't tell me or log how many bindings they provide. And the "see describe-repeat-maps" point is in the command's docstring which is the most natural place for it. Both of these strike me as useful only when debugging. To sum up so far: Juri> This is exactly the reason why it outputs its statistics to *Messages*, Juri> But if the majority will prefer to remove it, then I could Juri> commit such a patch. So we need just one additional vote that Juri> supports this change :) Howard> I also found that recentf does something similar. So if a few Howard> things give these informational messages (particularly to Howard> *Messages*) then I have no complaints. Seeing just the one I Howard> thought it might be violating a convention. Feel free to Howard> close this. But clearly I don't find these message useful :) Lars> I vote for keeping the message, but I have no strong opinion. Lars> I can't remember what my reasoning was back then, and looking at Lars> it again, I agree with you -- it doesn't really seem very useful Lars> to a user. StefanK> Personally, I think we should remove both the recentf-mode StefanK> and repeat-mode messages here. I don't find either of them StefanK> very helpful or interesting. Eli> Please don't: those messages are both informative and important. Howard