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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>,Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: 29478@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net
Subject: bug#29478: [Patch] bug#29478: 26.0.90; `C-h k' followed by mouse clicks no longer shows down event
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2017 07:41:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <B6948BC1-157E-42D8-BF85-9A92CCCF846D@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvh8sgivhh.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@gnu.org>

On December 24, 2017 6:55:52 AM GMT+02:00, Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> wrote:
> > Out of all these key sequences, some code somewhere has to select
> the
> > one for which the help message will be displayed.
> 
> I think this is a mistake.  We should give the answer for all the
> events
> we've seen.  E.g. it may be important for the user to know that
> mouse-1
> is not bound or that down-mouse-1 is not bound.


First, giving an answer for more than one event is impossible for "C-h c"; not without a complete redesign of how we present the results.  Until very recently, we would show only the first event, which is useless for 90% of mouse clicks, since very few commands are bound to down-events.  This has been a source of constant annoyance for me for years, and now is finally solved.  So this is some progress.

For "C-h k", we probably should indeed show all the events, but the previous solution to show the down-event first was problematic here as well, as it showed the much less important event first, and a user who is in a hurry might not pay attention to the rest.

In most cases, there are 2 or less events to show, so Alan's patch that tells users how to get help on the down-event is a good stopgap, IMO.  In general, we should probably redesign how these multiple events are described, but that's a job for master, not for the release branch.





  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-24  5:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-27 23:21 bug#29478: 26.0.90; `C-h k' followed by mouse clicks no longer shows down event Drew Adams
2017-11-28  1:50 ` Noam Postavsky
2017-11-28 17:11   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-28 22:10   ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-11-29  0:44     ` Noam Postavsky
2017-11-29  3:36       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-11-29  4:33     ` Drew Adams
2017-12-01  8:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-09 17:18         ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-23 14:28         ` bug#29478: [Patch 2]: " Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-23 14:48           ` Andreas Schwab
2017-12-24  8:43             ` Alan Mackenzie
     [not found]   ` <<20171128221036.GC14868@ACM>
     [not found]     ` <<bbcb1d00-a728-4b5e-b65f-bd2b168c4a51@default>
     [not found]       ` <<83o9ni3l3i.fsf@gnu.org>
2017-12-01 15:35         ` Drew Adams
2017-12-01 16:51           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-09 16:13             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-09 17:23               ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-22 22:05               ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-23  9:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-23 11:17                   ` bug#29478: [Patch] " Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-23 12:41                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-23 16:33                     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-23 21:04                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-24  4:55                         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-24  5:41                           ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2017-12-24  6:52                         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-24 11:48                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-24 15:41                             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-30 10:50                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-03  3:56                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-06 17:40                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-07 15:31                                 ` bug#29478: [SUSPECTED SPAM] " Stefan Monnier
2018-01-07 17:46                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-07 18:03                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-26 22:00                                 ` bug#29478: " Stefan Monnier
2018-01-26 22:37                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-27  8:28                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-28 16:02                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-28 17:18                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-29 21:54                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-30  3:23                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-30 14:18                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-30 15:40                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-30 16:59                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-27  7:59                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-30 10:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-30 11:32                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-30 12:49                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-23 16:19             ` bug#29478: " Stefan Monnier
2020-08-26 13:43 ` bug#29478: 26.0.90; " Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-26 17:12   ` Drew Adams

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