From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Qiantan Hong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: About implementing libre.js/el in Emacs Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 02:45:26 +0000 Message-ID: References: <791FBE67-B71F-4F80-810D-BE29B55FD10C@mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_79A2D12B-E5CA-4366-A7D4-E814C8B1F8C9"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29894"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Paul Eggert , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 30 04:46:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kCDMA-0007hg-PG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 04:46:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53222 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kCDM9-00028F-T2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 22:46:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54078) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kCDLe-0001jF-OT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 22:45:38 -0400 Original-Received: from outgoing-exchange-3.mit.edu ([18.9.28.13]:55656) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kCDLc-000517-GJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 22:45:38 -0400 Original-Received: from w92exedge4.exchange.mit.edu (W92EXEDGE4.EXCHANGE.MIT.EDU [18.7.73.16]) by outgoing-exchange-3.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 07U2jPsF024005; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 22:45:27 -0400 Original-Received: from oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.4.47) by w92exedge4.exchange.mit.edu (18.7.73.16) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1293.2; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 22:45:07 -0400 Original-Received: from oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.4.47) by oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.4.47) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1365.1; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 22:45:26 -0400 Original-Received: from oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu ([18.9.4.47]) by oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu ([18.9.4.47]) with mapi id 15.00.1365.000; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 22:45:26 -0400 Thread-Topic: About implementing libre.js/el in Emacs Thread-Index: AQHWfjicB33grfm1p0G9a/nWkLfm86lP2COAgABYa4CAAAVIgA== In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [18.18.245.17] Received-SPF: pass client-ip=18.9.28.13; envelope-from=qhong@mit.edu; helo=outgoing-exchange-3.mit.edu X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/29 22:45:34 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Windows 7 (Websense crawler) X-Spam_score_int: -41 X-Spam_score: -4.2 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254405 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_79A2D12B-E5CA-4366-A7D4-E814C8B1F8C9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Aug 29, 2020, at 10:26 PM, Tim Cross wrote: >=20 > Just curious - in what ways is JS worse then Elisp?=20 There=E2=80=99re lots of other arguments, e.g. homoiconicity, typing (js = does lots of unreasonable type casts)=E2=80=A6 but in this context, I think the most = important point is that Emacs and Emacs Lisp give one of the most flexible and self-descriptive programming system. If something is implemented in Emacs lisp, we get M-x apropos, describe-function, describe-variable, they can be overrode by just eval-defun, and can be advised. Customizing or extending it is painless and trivial. However, those things become much harder if the package is implemented in JS. > I agree Option 1 would give more bang for your buck - at least = initially.=20 >=20 I=E2=80=99ll take that. I imagine while implementing Web Extensions API = for js it will be trivial to also bring those to Elisp too, so finally we not = only have those JS browser plugins to run but can also develop plugins in Elisp.= --Apple-Mail=_79A2D12B-E5CA-4366-A7D4-E814C8B1F8C9 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCCA70w ggO5MIIDIqADAgECAhAaql39NsO1qLVjkS2hl517MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMGwxCzAJBgNVBAYT AlVTMRYwFAYDVQQIEw1NYXNzYWNodXNldHRzMS4wLAYDVQQKEyVNYXNzYWNodXNldHRzIEluc3Rp dHV0ZSBvZiBUZWNobm9sb2d5MRUwEwYDVQQLEwxDbGllbnQgQ0EgdjEwHhcNMjAwODAzMDEyNDIz WhcNMjEwODAxMDEyNDIzWjCBoTELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxFjAUBgNVBAgTDU1hc3NhY2h1c2V0dHMx LjAsBgNVBAoTJU1hc3NhY2h1c2V0dHMgSW5zdGl0dXRlIG9mIFRlY2hub2xvZ3kxFTATBgNVBAsT DENsaWVudCBDQSB2MTEVMBMGA1UEAxMMUWlhbnRhbiBIb25nMRwwGgYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFg1xaG9u Z0BNSVQuRURVMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAylUlEQdK4BSXKzoGh6As CKN/TpLmC0kjhPdxUKMj1/86Xl6GDCla4h95uISDOWVAKdu3cIlA8m9zRLT2jNEIkt1DVpXP6c9h y8RRyfJm0qlrvr6tsHi5AmO4Li6s2dEGaTxbakPL6vEn7ZYr86t5orq56nubki77Z8ZvRv9/fWdF bF/YBNGDayLNk0NbXIEQdCHiz1l+bxfw+GHHRmdOge3MKWSg463+GGMdxtLQ61AbtR2vm47FIJBt c0X6ptcInWUg4Nf/9vSNGl6KvREvfbEWKCT6TfL5ncIFlitf6ZWKue2PZ4ULFfIQ3/7EsEk03xxr S7sTOy7e2dbPboe/WwIDAQABo4GhMIGeMAkGA1UdEwQCMAAwEQYJYIZIAYb4QgEBBAQDAgWgMB0G A1UdJQQWMBQGCCsGAQUFBwMEBggrBgEFBQcDAjALBgNVHQ8EBAMCBeAwHQYDVR0OBBYEFDeb9Jlj XSm+y0CD872IhzRDIGv1MDMGA1UdHwQsMCowKKAmoCSGImh0dHA6Ly9jYS5taXQuZWR1L2NhL21p dGNsaWVudC5jcmwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQADgYEApBTx4tBbD5rQ+bNGd/Z3OBV07qFsm5QHNg0+ 6lxJ3j7q5zMMq35o6y5cBIhcFG6t+MFqJIdERZ3EprDturyqozQsIBMHFnqh+iZcMg0uQyssEqKZ hrzIdw8GuY4Z6jNewdGy5mwwG9yjpEbzWWgdofSM5rnezZz7EvCQu9ilt1sxggNDMIIDPwIBATCB gDBsMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEWMBQGA1UECBMNTWFzc2FjaHVzZXR0czEuMCwGA1UEChMlTWFzc2Fj aHVzZXR0cyBJbnN0aXR1dGUgb2YgVGVjaG5vbG9neTEVMBMGA1UECxMMQ2xpZW50IENBIHYxAhAa ql39NsO1qLVjkS2hl517MA0GCWCGSAFlAwQCAQUAoIIBkzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcN AQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0yMDA4MzAwMjQ1MjZaMC8GCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEiBCDPLD2ci3Ef Wsv26wbfQqq1YFefbZm8vJ1KzQyJMT8yWjCBkQYJKwYBBAGCNxAEMYGDMIGAMGwxCzAJBgNVBAYT AlVTMRYwFAYDVQQIEw1NYXNzYWNodXNldHRzMS4wLAYDVQQKEyVNYXNzYWNodXNldHRzIEluc3Rp dHV0ZSBvZiBUZWNobm9sb2d5MRUwEwYDVQQLEwxDbGllbnQgQ0EgdjECEBqqXf02w7WotWORLaGX nXswgZMGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMYGDoIGAMGwxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMRYwFAYDVQQIEw1NYXNzYWNo dXNldHRzMS4wLAYDVQQKEyVNYXNzYWNodXNldHRzIEluc3RpdHV0ZSBvZiBUZWNobm9sb2d5MRUw EwYDVQQLEwxDbGllbnQgQ0EgdjECEBqqXf02w7WotWORLaGXnXswDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEggEA UXBW/ZgUcv2k8P1GlnyJOgPSrDMGdEu19c4daDjcBO4zE24ap3nqPgvTWx2ieRzoYzq01In7igA3 noumFEwkh/aFYWbNT0NU2ZfseJrLukR8wqusm0WyHb2oJx5yuQXuAdF1WHQ4RzzYBZ+J+c2Ck7nB FFN8XE0R6z5I8x07xpKJMuSqfI86V6D3ijbThqMXhoqoc6+fnTf7ur3e+UPOHLoEfXd2Be5AVleK efhtcdsPutnFmLkE2jGlkRq7gQNlBBYXiKZtf7vWLp5avQjwqIslBb93Qsn1xMDAmdPnpc1MD1B6 QJ92bP/0xCFBSYrqATuwNqB7CYd0InB8LnPoxAAAAAAAAA== --Apple-Mail=_79A2D12B-E5CA-4366-A7D4-E814C8B1F8C9--