From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-g crash in C-x C-f (OSX Lion) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 07:12:58 +0900 Message-ID: References: <4EEF5DF5.3030506@swipnet.se> <9E637EAB-A0C5-421B-9CCA-71C41442AF52@gmail.com> <87ipl7zaea.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sjkbib14.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87d3baui4b.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87mxacqlg4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fwg3pfy4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8739c2dscy.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325283221 17260 80.91.229.12 (30 Dec 2011 22:13:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:13:41 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 30 23:13:36 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rgkhk-00006M-Ft for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 23:13:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48323 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rgkhj-0005Dg-J8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 17:13:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:54142) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rgkhd-0005DJ-BY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 17:13:33 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RgkhY-0007i3-Rs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 17:13:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp ([133.82.132.2]:50075) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RgkhY-0007hs-Bx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 17:13:24 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.1.22] (p5036-ipad01akita.akita.ocn.ne.jp [218.224.25.36]) by mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 82A9BC055D for ; Sat, 31 Dec 2011 07:13:20 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <8739c2dscy.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: NetBSD 3.0 (DF) X-Received-From: 133.82.132.2 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147069 Archived-At: On 2011/12/30, at 23:52, Ted Zlatanov wrote: > On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:34:49 +0900 YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu = wrote:=20 >=20 >>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 10:15:15 -0500, Ted Zlatanov = said: >>>>> I am not a GNUstep user. I hardly have the time to test Emacs on >>>>> GNU/Linux these days! >=20 > YM> So, what was your impression on the GNUstep port when you tried it > YM> some time ago? >=20 >>> I was not able to set up the basic GNUstep at the time and gave up. >=20 > YM> So, your declaration of preference for the NS port to the Mac port > YM> with respect to GNUstep was nothing based on your actual = experience. > YM> That's rather surprising to me. >=20 > There is a lot of software in the GNU project I don't use, for lack of > time or because it doesn't fit my needs. Does that preclude me from > supporting it? I had assumed it was not so. >=20 > YM> When others say the similar thing next time, maybe I should ask = their > YM> experience of the GNUstep port before taking their words = seriously. >=20 > I'm pretty sure this is the position of the Emacs maintainers as well. > But your choice to take my words seriously is, of course, your own. =20= >=20 > I did not mean to start an argument and my original statement was > clearly based on the GNU project's goals and not on how much I have = used > GNUstep. If that wasn't clear enough then, I hope it is now. When I tried the GNUstep port some time ago, it was quite unsatisfactory. I thought it might be only for me and the problem of the GNUstep version I tried or because of my configuration. So I asked your GNUstep version/configuration because I took it for granted that those who are backing the GNUstep port at least have experience of its use, otherwise it looked so irresponsible to me. I even think that pushing software that is far from usable only because it is for GNUstep might result in lowering the image/evaluation of GNUstep itself and do harm for the GNU project's goal, because those who actually tried the GNUstep port will feel disappointed. YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp