From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs on OS X development Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:50:57 -0700 Message-ID: References: <33545A47-0907-4059-92A6-0343CEDD2750@swipnet.se> <869E965F-CD75-46D6-92BB-B3C08C8D846B@swipnet.se> <87fw8t7siv.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1342374666 9846 80.91.229.3 (15 Jul 2012 17:51:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 17:51:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Michael Reilly Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 15 19:51:06 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SqSyG-0007Ba-8I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:51:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40587 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SqSyF-0000wb-FD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 13:51:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47241) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SqSyC-0000wS-MH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 13:51:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SqSyB-0004Js-CV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 13:51:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com ([209.85.160.41]:35280) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SqSyB-0004Jl-5t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 13:50:59 -0400 Original-Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so9997635pbb.0 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:50:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=uyzIECqUTQwxe583DNVEZ3BYcubljUcwOG2NO49WFU4=; b=QLr6GVWPj/yzwSQaXcQ1ycBYus2DB273crD89ITkAJAvYzKv49+NmjffWu5OYFADNg Ye8KMnPS/GkgRRO/RbcYQnoomzcpIlJwdra9Rmx3U1y38/8CcX//VCRnF5CJwyEvgEwa Qwega+6yuShC7NLCs/MxJXhgO5Zl19/s6eGYaM5j/cJgANj9G1cP9EqmfaftzlSEwbl9 VSchyx7mZ33N9iCXW48loXMyCiuzqIdr/JFEO/W3UoyIeA7oELDdSMRdwWaVvTsi5KjL 6stlJQvdKB6JK6Llg2eTebhewzQxisRJrpgvHfMIuCBlHvh/St/vxiKupAGyLpPdfZWk eF2g== Original-Received: by 10.66.89.170 with SMTP id bp10mr17448089pab.12.1342374657815; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [10.0.1.21] (c-98-247-148-125.hsd1.wa.comcast.net. [98.247.148.125]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ot4sm10220014pbb.65.2012.07.15.10.50.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:50:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.160.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:151632 Archived-At: On Jul 15, 2012, at 6:12 AM, Paul Michael Reilly wrote: >=20 > And I concur. Perhaps someone can explain to me the downside of = having Yamamoto place his tree as a sibling to the ns tree. [...] >=20 > That said, I use the ns tree daily and love it. [...] This, I think, is the practical problem we keep running into. The mac = port has never integrated with the development head well (in the 2+ = years I've been watching), and it doesn't look like it will live next to = the ns port without significant effort. On the flip side, while some = people seem to have a much better experience with the mac port than the = ns port, others (including myself) have the opposite experience.=20 Right now, we're the closest we've ever been to being able to try the = mac port code with the current emacs (not the last release, but the = current code), and from what I'm hearing 2-4 people have made small = attempts at integrating the two and failed. I'm sure that a dedicated = effort would succeed, but it won't be trivial, and it might not even be = easy. This really seems like a place where arguing pre-code is not very = helpful - let's get a working dev+mac tree somewhere, and then figure = out what to do with them. Hopefully this isn't making things worse, *Chad