From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why Emacs should have a good web-browser Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:52:59 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87ocrjl2r6.fsf@gmail.com> <87zlb2bwyj.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87bpnefl73.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1071.1) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-50--694960339; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1248195202 7777 80.91.229.12 (21 Jul 2009 16:53:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:53:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Miles Bader , ferkiwi+a@gmail.com, Paul R , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 21 18:53:15 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MTIaX-0005JX-M9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:53:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46626 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MTIaX-0002hj-3T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:53:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MTIaT-0002hO-EU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:53:09 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MTIaP-0002gY-SQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:53:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48522 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MTIaP-0002gV-Pz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:53:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com ([209.85.219.213]:63152) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MTIaO-0008VO-4k; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:53:04 -0400 Original-Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so832209ewy.42 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:53:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references:to :x-mailer; bh=55vr93lWNYhlGUZoLH1wDdV+SKSbZkdxbCO1QMg5OUg=; b=s86LOXOKksw+lgs7ILXtN/KIzzSm/laAyzWMVWOU42E2EgfASRVc/Kl8LLgHWHZVlO rieCzjezSGHaxoGLVmmKhwThWea8j59VFnUL0i+IqDzrPUHbWmNJUrPl+0SQoGnZ+kpx 8dKMtyzaO0IFuOha34NV8XXR8muRFGnZ7hHEY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=SRewPkwzVg942j4QGeG91BdwPTbc1168oMA6U57Tl/B+jONY67n3pTYQuLvWXk2p// MfjkBiExi9dOIVEDMBGrg4RQnKfiPVeDgTM8r6lHUQ0F4V1JcD7KmjQZ/3v9xRIsrLEZ jBzO/kfjKmFmbfzdCucuzWArtc1Q5RXdZjb+g= Original-Received: by 10.211.194.9 with SMTP id w9mr7025327ebp.57.1248195182294; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from c100209.wlan.net.ed.ac.uk (cpat002.wlan.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.5.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm372405eyb.5.2009.07.21.09.53.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:53:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1071.1) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112927 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail-50--694960339 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes On Jul 21, 2009, at 4:52 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > It might be possible to use one of those engines as Emacs's rendering > engine, indeed. To me, it wouldn't seem like an good solution to the > problem at hand because I don't think it would allow me to control the > web-browser from Emacs (e.g., how would I access from Elisp the > content > of pages generated from HTML?). JS / DOM has worked this out quite well, and the implementations provide a security model. > So it'd be more like embedding Emacs > inside a normal browser. It's not a bad idea, but I don't think it'll > provide as many benefits from Emacs's point of view. It would be fantastic to be able to use Emacs directly inside text areas of Firefox. There's a simple plugin that lets users edit text from text boxes in an external text editor, but that's nowhere nearly as nice as having a little Emacs window displayed right in place of the text box. --Apple-Mail-50--694960339 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIFxDCCAn0w ggHmoAMCAQICED6shx13jEDrq0eL8FRq5ykwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA4MTIwOTAyMDgwMVoXDTA5MTIwOTAyMDgw MVowYjEQMA4GA1UEBBMHUmVpdHRlcjEOMAwGA1UEKhMFRGF2aWQxFjAUBgNVBAMTDURhdmlkIFJl aXR0ZXIxJjAkBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWF2RhdmlkLnJlaXR0ZXJAZ21haWwuY29tMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3 DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDOdo6kAwlkBxUb8dj4saMbYg4SVng8CUePFn3cjjWrakBTbUVa4Z0n wlUxr7AitEeKhBy5nGhu96+jKUPrCwYNRCZ0l2ovvuGq4z1m1nZ5/c8WvFlVhieuxXMUfmb/O7D3 IojoX6iS8n5MNNU2IWNNT/AD3vOl6DKgOtOw4J9y+QIDAQABozQwMjAiBgNVHREEGzAZgRdkYXZp ZC5yZWl0dGVyQGdtYWlsLmNvbTAMBgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAIjI8yEW wkiEfA9PMgpjnD6KyCXT0iZjHhW2PkR53yZZLUoTboHnKgsFwYp/gzzIL8J5cvZaRUyMUzXDufPP dRmxxCs2jXXLDD/8bvdvOuMzqgYoFA73fAfsC8S6qUL1PayZ90J8CZHNhDwqWqOA56T+DdKUegJT sqoHKh6OnypTMIIDPzCCAqigAwIBAgIBDTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCB0TELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx FTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMRowGAYDVQQKExFUaGF3 dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZzEoMCYGA1UECxMfQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBTZXJ2aWNlcyBEaXZpc2lvbjEk MCIGA1UEAxMbVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIENBMSswKQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhxwZXJz b25hbC1mcmVlbWFpbEB0aGF3dGUuY29tMB4XDTAzMDcxNzAwMDAwMFoXDTEzMDcxNjIzNTk1OVow YjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAq BgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEB AQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDEpjxVc1X7TrnKmVoeaMB1BHCd3+n/ox7svc31W/Iadr1/DDph8r9RzgHU 5VAKMNcCY1osiRVwjt3J8CuFWqo/cVbLrzwLB+fxH5E2JCoTzyvV84J3PQO+K/67GD4Hv0CAAmTX p6a7n2XRxSpUhQ9IBH+nttE8YQRAHmQZcmC3+wIDAQABo4GUMIGRMBIGA1UdEwEB/wQIMAYBAf8C AQAwQwYDVR0fBDwwOjA4oDagNIYyaHR0cDovL2NybC50aGF3dGUuY29tL1RoYXd0ZVBlcnNvbmFs RnJlZW1haWxDQS5jcmwwCwYDVR0PBAQDAgEGMCkGA1UdEQQiMCCkHjAcMRowGAYDVQQDExFQcml2 YXRlTGFiZWwyLTEzODANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQBIjNFQg+oLLswNo2asZw9/r6y+whehQ5aU nX9MIbj4Nh+qLZ82L8D0HFAgk3A8/a3hYWLD2ToZfoSxmRsAxRoLgnSeJVCUYsfbJ3FXJY3dqZw5 jowgT2Vfldr394fWxghOrvbqNOUQGls1TXfjViF4gtwhGTXeJLHTHUb/XV9lTzGCAo8wggKLAgEB MHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4x LDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhA+rIcdd4xA66tH i/BUaucpMAkGBSsOAwIaBQCgggFvMBgGCSqGSIb3DQEJAzELBgkqhkiG9w0BBwEwHAYJKoZIhvcN AQkFMQ8XDTA5MDcyMTE2NTI1OVowIwYJKoZIhvcNAQkEMRYEFFWPcthkJTUHqj2ObNpivDDNg/ld MIGFBgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxeDB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3Vs dGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWlu ZyBDQQIQPqyHHXeMQOurR4vwVGrnKTCBhwYLKoZIhvcNAQkQAgsxeKB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpB MSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUg UGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQPqyHHXeMQOurR4vwVGrnKTANBgkqhkiG9w0B AQEFAASBgH6JqXavK5JJzJV+hrZuN2NvE4nmnqf7LuQD4SaCSGWrZfau9HNUExyvBz2jJsKkhzJX vXY7ZeeflYrcudKVDy+UheMPZ9bSzh6KgG+zCHa/PIl0iX8gifvz7agKtcFCboCSIyZOZ6L/3lxW xpZIEXrCowuWizmjp0grky0Gg8uXAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail-50--694960339--