From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A proposal for a friendlier Emacs Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 14:22:03 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4be18b5f-dc07-2703-a2de-1ed08916ebdf@gmail.com> <20200921170740.GA3551@protected.rcdrun.com> <20200922062437.GM6402@protected.rcdrun.com> <83zh5hx5qf.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25860"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: nicola.manca85@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 22 17:50:11 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kKkYV-0006b5-71 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 17:50:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53058 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKkYU-0000fi-5j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 11:50:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47448) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKjBQ-0001Fk-OR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 10:22:16 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:58235) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKjBP-0006kf-0j; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 10:22:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.44.7] ([::ffff:197.157.0.18]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000056140.000000005F6A0892.00007BDD; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 07:22:09 -0700 In-Reply-To: <83zh5hx5qf.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/22 10:11:15 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -3 X-Spam_score: -0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256326 Archived-At: On September 22, 2020 2:10:00 PM UTC, Eli Zaretskii wrote= : >> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 09:24:37 +0300 >> From: Jean Louis >> Cc: nicola=2Emanca85@gmail=2Ecom, emacs-devel@gnu=2Eorg >>=20 >> > I understand that you have no need for this -- but why do you >object >> > to it? >>=20 >> It is changing defaults and facing me and also the new users with >> complexities, in general, it gives an active obligation to the user >> versus the splash screen that does not disturb the user in the >> workflow=2E > >You personally may find it annoying, but please keep in mind that many >applications nowadays offer to take the user through a similar process >first time the application is started after installation=2E So I >presume many newcomers to Emacs will not be surprised by that, and >maybe will even expect something like that=2E To make a survey online today is not so hard and not so expensive, turn ad= vertising on and ask people to answer few questions in exchange for free so= ftware download, you can give them Emacs as award=2E You would ask before the download if they consider themselves beginners, i= ntermediate or advance computer users, if they know what is teddy editor an= d how often they just such, and then you would ask about the need and deman= d for wizards in neutral question making, if they would like to be faced wi= th questions, and you would also ask if they understand exactly those quest= ions which you intend to implement in Emacs=2E It can be done in one day even on street in front of computer shops, with = few people you could reach 100 survey results, give lemonade in exchange or= offer free Emacs CD with free software system=2E Then evaluate the results, and you will find the beginner's needs and thei= r wants, which will make all the difference between the subjective opinion = (ours) and the objective public demand=2E