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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:310513 Archived-At: >> IMNSHO, discussing a rewrite of Emacs in _any_ language is waste of >> time and energy. We've seen this many times (because people still >> insist on bringing this up from time to time) [...] > >What irks me most in such cases is not the idea itself, or the wish >to discuss it. It's rather that those people consistently seem to >want others to do the grunt work. Nobody has approached you about anything nor demanding anything from neither you in particular or anyone else. > Usually they seem to shy away from >looking at former attempts and trying to learn something from them. You have no idea how much research or work I have done or not done before I have approached malining list. Don't project your BS on me. >Now this would be an interesting contribution: what's wrong with >Climacs? What's right? What went wrong with PortableHemlock and I could actually answer your questions, at least a good deal of what you ask there if you asked in a friendly and decent manner. >what can we learn from it? I know what I have learned about those applicaitons as well as what I have learned about you. >Heck, they even seem too lazy to take the discussion to emacs-tangents. What discussion should I take where? I am not even discussing or even looking at anything where I am not CC:ed, I am not subscribed to any of Emacs lists. I have sent one mail to emacs-devel and answer those I am CC:ed to; Link to the one by Eli you have answered to was sent to me by someone. >Huffing and puffing about freedom of expression is a bit... >strange in this context. But seems to be fashionable these days. And there is always mobsters and lynchmob that like to give shit to other people to feel themselves better. You should be ashamed of yourself. The toxic atmosphere like this is why I keep myself away from the Emacs mailing lists in general. I posted once in about a year or more and offered a patch and regretted it. If you think I came now just to ask you to write something for me, think twice.