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From: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: Madhu <enometh@meer.net>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Motif support
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 12:53:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AM9PR09MB49775DCFE4B49F7625E0DAA3967E9@AM9PR09MB4977.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ilvflkyc.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Thu, 23 Dec 2021 17:38:51 +0800")

Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> writes:

> Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com> writes:
>
>> Actually, I percieve that for freedom of software it is equally
>> important to have documentation for the sources as the sources
>> themselves. Situation with docs is somewhat addressed in last years or
>> so, but there were times when many GNU projects came out with very few
>> comments, usually no dev docs, and scarce descriptions about
>> internals. I said several times to Eli Z. to write a book about Emacs
>> internals; that would probably be the best boost to Emacs development.
>
> Emacs internals are documented very well, inside both the relevant parts
> of the Lisp reference manual and the code itself.  Writing a book would
> not make for much benefit.  In fact, it would become tiresome to keep
> that book up to date.
Situation has got much better in late years. It wasn't always so.

> I think that there is a misconception floating around the internet that
> Emacs internals are difficult to understand.  Certain individuals
> spreading misinformation hold a great deal of responsibility for this
> situation.  IOW, a significant boost to Emacs development will result
> from combating this disinformation.
Ok. We have all seen how much personal guidance you have needed from
Eli on even a minor details to get your offsceen lines working. If you think it
is so easy, why didn't you just hand in a patch that worked? Cmon, seriosuly.

I don't know how much time you have on your disposal, but looking at how many
different things on Emacs you are commenting/working on, how many OS systems you
write you use, all from Windows 9x to Haiky, all kind of strange X
configurations and so on, you must have all days on your disposal to hack
Emacs. It is great, and your work is appreciated. But if you expect eveyrone to
have that time is unrealistic. To say certain individuals spread missinformation
is just plain immature. Nobody is spreading missinformation, and certainly not
on purpose.



  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-23 11:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 168+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <878rwhbb91.fsf.ref@yahoo.com>
2021-12-19  2:04 ` Motif support Po Lu
2021-12-19  7:05   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-19  7:14     ` Po Lu
2021-12-19  7:35       ` Po Lu
2021-12-19  7:50       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-19  7:56         ` Bozhidar Batsov
2021-12-19  9:12           ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 10:38             ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-19 10:41               ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 10:52                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-19 10:58                   ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 11:07                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 11:29                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-19 11:39                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 12:05                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-19 12:23                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 13:02                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-19 14:15                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-19 14:27                                 ` dick
2021-12-19 15:10                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-20  2:12                                   ` Aiko Kyle
2021-12-20  3:13                                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-20  4:16                                       ` Akira Kyle
2021-12-20  4:43                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-20 16:54                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-20 19:01                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-20 19:21                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-20 19:59                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-20 21:07                                           ` Akira Kyle
2021-12-20  4:44                                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-20  4:56                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-22  4:16                                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-22  4:40                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-23  3:43                                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-23  4:47                                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 11:25                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-19 11:29                       ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 10:28         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-20 10:05           ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-20 10:15             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
     [not found]               ` <87ee671s9o.fsf@yahoo.com>
2021-12-20 10:38                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-21  1:01                   ` Po Lu
2021-12-21  3:28                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 17:01                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 17:47                         ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-21 17:53                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 18:02                             ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-21 18:12                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22  0:53                               ` Po Lu
     [not found]                   ` <875yrj1ro7.fsf@yahoo.com>
2021-12-21  5:19                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
     [not found]             ` <87a6gv1s47.fsf@yahoo.com>
2021-12-20 11:09               ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-20 19:32                 ` Sean Whitton
2021-12-22 15:58             ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 17:13               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 17:56                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 18:21                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 19:46                     ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 20:14                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23  7:21               ` Madhu
2021-12-23  7:24                 ` Madhu
2021-12-23  9:32                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23  9:38                   ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 11:53                     ` Arthur Miller [this message]
2021-12-23 12:06                       ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 14:36                         ` dick
2021-12-23 14:42                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 15:01                             ` dick
2021-12-23 15:07                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 15:33                                 ` dick
2021-12-23 16:17                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 15:43                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 14:16                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 17:47                         ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 18:24                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 22:47                             ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-19  8:48       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-19  9:13         ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 10:14       ` martin rudalics
2021-12-20  0:15         ` Madhu
2021-12-20  1:42           ` Po Lu
2021-12-20  1:42           ` Po Lu
2021-12-21 16:15 xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 16:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 17:58   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 18:09     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 18:28       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 18:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 19:18           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 19:29             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22  0:51               ` Po Lu
2021-12-21 19:45           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 19:51             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 20:15               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 20:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 20:50                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 17:09                     ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 17:24                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 17:28                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 18:07                         ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 18:20                           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22  0:52                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-22 16:39                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 17:32                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 17:59                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23  0:58                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 10:48                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 10:54                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 11:10                           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 11:17                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 12:40                               ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 12:46                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 16:41                                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 18:05                                     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 18:33                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 18:57                                         ` dick
2021-12-23 19:29                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 19:04                                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 19:31                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  0:40                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 22:41                                         ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 17:26       ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 17:40         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 19:14           ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 19:25             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 20:08               ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-22 20:16                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 23:44                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23  0:53                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-23  0:53                     ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2021-12-23  6:54                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23  7:43                       ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23  9:05                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 11:21                           ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 11:34                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 12:15                               ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 12:25                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23  9:24                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-23  0:47             ` Po Lu
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-12-22 19:19 xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 19:35 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 19:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 20:24   ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-23  6:42     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23  7:58       ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23  8:55         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 11:46           ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 11:52             ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 12:43               ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 12:52                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 17:35                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-24  0:38                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  1:17                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  1:24                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  1:37                           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  7:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  8:06                               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  8:24                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-24  8:37                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  2:20                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-24  2:43                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  7:17                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  0:46                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 15:05   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 15:08     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 11:37 xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 11:39 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 11:45   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 11:50     ` Po Lu

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