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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275424 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Juri Linkov >> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 18:31:59 +0300 >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> > am not sure if C-h M-h is the right, but that's just a detail. >> >> This would be a nice command. But why it's limited only to help-window? >> It could allow reading and running the key sequences in any next-window. > > Please, no unnecessary generalizations of this kind. Or at least not > to cater to this particular request. I want a _help_ command, not > just a prefix that runs any command in the other window. because, for > starters, what if the *Help* buffer is not currently on display at > all? By the way, help commands are of course avialable, same way as the example I show you yesterday where I installed help-mode-map on C-h M-h. But this one is better because no patching to existing commands in help-mode.el is needed, no wrappers are needed, and if future commands are added it will work ootb. And you cann send any other command if you prefer so too.