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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306558 Archived-At: Juri Linkov writes: >> Basically that these were two discussions, one where Juri asked me about my >> experiences about running commands in other windows, and one about the >> patch. Juri dislike the idea of wrapping all commands into with-selected-window >> and is trying to find a way to transfer command execution to other window >> without need to wrap commands explicitly as I understand him, which I hope he >> will find. > > If you ask me what would be an ideal UI, "UI of a dream", then > the answer is obvious. Emacs already has such a rudimentary UI. > It works perfectly, but currently is limited to a tiny set of commands. > > The key point of the existing "do-in-other-window" UI is that > no additional prefix keys are required, only a modifier key > to hold down while typing other-window navigation keys. > > The current modifier key is 'M-'. So while holding down the ALT key > you can use the navigation keys 'PgUp', 'PgDn', 'Home', 'End' > that browse the buffer in another window. While doing this, > a natural wish appears to enable more navigation keys. > Why not enable arrow keys as well? Why only 'M-PgUp' is supported, > but not 'M-up'? Maybe the answer is that then some keys would conflict > with default keybindings, for example, with 'M-left'. > > Such kind of problems found solutions in windmove. For its > numerous keys it's possible to choose a dedicated modifier, > or a combination of modifiers. > > So in the perfect UI, you could just hold down a modifier, > then type the usual keys that you would type if another window > was selected. We share a lot of thoughts in common, but I think there are some fundamental issues you are fighting against. I'll come to this another time. Just letting you know that I have seen it.