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envelope-from=arthur.miller@live.com; helo=EUR04-DB3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:136165 Archived-At: emacsq via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor writes: > I tried making a Visual Studio Code extension to see how it could be make more emacs-like if I had to use it for something. > > If you didn't you don't know how lucky you are with the integrated Elisp > manual. It doesn't have an integrated manual, you have to browse a huge HTML > file to find some API call : > > https://code.visualstudio.com/api/references/vscode-api > > And as usual with APIs (unlike Emacs' open system) you can only access what the > developers expose via the API which is very limiting compared to Emacs. You > can't change everything, so you don't shoot yourself in the foot. I prefer > Emacs' approach where I can even break the system, which is a great learning > experience. I definitely agree with you, and just the info manual, but the entire concept of built-in help. Just having cursor somewhere in an s-expression and pressing C-h f/v is for me really a time saver. I think I have personally used Helpful a lot, which is another help package. I think I have learned a lot from just looking at source code, since it displays the source code of functions by default. I know you can press a button in built-in help and be thrown into the source code, but it is much more convenient to just see it without asking for it. As well as symbol property-list when debugging, so I really suggest it as addition to built-in help.