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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282943 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 23.12.2021 04:07, Po Lu wrote: >> Dmitry Gutov writes: >> >>> There is a vast distance between the last version and 23.4 (released a >>> decade ago). >> In another 9 years, Emacs 27.2 will have been "released a decade ago" as >> well. > > We should really hope that even people who are forced to use use outdated/cheap > hardware, will be using *different* cheap hardware in 9 years' time. That hardware will probably be warned out and not avialable in next 10 years.