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envelope-from=arthur.miller@live.com; helo=EUR05-DB8-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:125736 Archived-At: Christopher Dimech writes: >> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 8:33 AM >> From: "Eli Zaretskii" >> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org >> Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments >> >> > From: Arthur Miller >> > Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 22:26:13 +0100 >> > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org >> > >> > > Documentation, however, is to be structured according to different levels >> > > of sophistication. But I understand it could be a lot of work to complete. >> > > Was not my intention to deride anyone. but to describe how it is. Documentation >> > > is always better than no documentation. And everyone does as one can. >> > >> > True. However, Emacs manuals are written by volunteers with limited >> > resources in their spair time (I hack Emacs as a hobby when I drink >> > coffee), so what is practical has also to be take into account. They >> > have to prioritize what level they put themselves on, especially Elisp >> > manual. >> >> That is true, but please point me to a Free Software project that has >> better documentation than Emacs, let alone documentation better >> structured according to different levels of sophistication. I certainly can't. Emacs has definitely best docs nowadays; I can't say nothing about levels of sphistication, since I am not well sophisticated by my nature :-), but Emacs is definitely very well documented. I use mostly C-h f so I can drop into docs, and if I don't understand docs, I look at the source code; with Helpful package I am in C-code in no time, usually. Helm is good for discovering; I can just type a letter or few and see what it brings me for more exploration.