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envelope-from=arthur.miller@live.com; helo=EUR06-DB8-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:125667 Archived-At: Christopher Dimech writes: >> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 9:51 AM >> From: "Arthur Miller" >> To: "Christopher Dimech" >> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org >> Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments >> >> Christopher Dimech writes: >> >> >> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:28 AM >> >> From: "Eli Zaretskii" >> >> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org >> >> Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments >> >> >> >> > From: Christopher Dimech >> >> > Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 01:47:08 +0100 >> >> > Sensitivity: Normal >> >> > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org >> >> > >> >> > The manuals should be rewritten because they are incomprehensible. >> >> > Perhaps it was good in the eighties. It continues forever. Consider >> >> > "face customisation" for instance, which just means font. Nobody >> >> > fuckin reads a manual with 17 nodes. You don't know which one to use, >> >> > which commands are most useful, and so on. The problem gets compounded >> >> > because every esoteric command is there. >> >> > >> >> > You are just insisting on something bad and inefficient. >> >> >> >> Fair warning: if that is your attitude towards our documentation, >> >> please be aware that there will be some people here who'd refrain from >> >> helping you. We don't work for you, so if you refuse to help yourself >> >> by becoming more proficient with the extensive documentation features >> >> in Emacs, we cannot be expected to hold your hand forever. >> > >> > It is well known that some at Gnu cannot take criticisms when others >> > try to read what others write. I am a writer by profession. So spare >> > me the "Don't work for you" defensive approach. >> I already hinted you that you could hire a professional writer to clean >> the swamp for you. Why do you think I told you that? :D >> >> Nobody here works for you. Not Eli, nor everybody else. >> >> Believe me, Emacs documentation is not the problem. You maybe are >> writer, but you are certainly not a programmer; otherwise you wouldn't >> ask how to start a Java application :-). We all have strengths and >> weaknesses; your strength is obviously not programming. Nothing shame in >> that, not everybody has to be a programmer. > > The programming craft is in the source code. The documentation is to help > understand it. Could be even harder than writing the code. It makes a > convenient listing if you know what you're doing. It's not always the failure > of readers. Of course it is not always the failure of readers, I did not say it either.