From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: arthur miller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: RE: RE: Auto Fill Comments Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 03:04:00 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87pn419aha.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <20201126160013.GD28931@tuxteam.de> <20201126182734.GA5175@tuxteam.de> <54331aa0-6a9a-4809-9f2d-88deee31558b@default> , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12009"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" To: Christopher Dimech Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 27 04:04:54 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kiU45-0002zQ-UT for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 04:04:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54046 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kiU44-00051Q-TY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2020 22:04:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59836) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kiU3Q-00051E-1d for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2020 22:04:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-am6eur05olkn2017.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([40.92.91.17]:63585 helo=EUR05-AM6-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kiU3K-0005O2-46 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2020 22:04:11 -0500 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=Gxyue6EtqnnJRwOCDGeUlNbEIxIECdCqnI7URK0Va/VGY6OP2Z/LSjsgL1225iIuss+YpgWXLJU7QkoY7KbroAA7Z1QK5U+LQLNqgMiubTy5+CbOWeyhs6gAtzjSgg38sjeKnN7ZhuuIt+fO1t+lq8ZWgj1OhiLjaG7cKEla2BrLI5+8JK3NQSP7t7npfzA+woxr2a9857j0wszW1DGs5K9G3FrWCoqZ4PB3/MwRLBa1kbuO3B5G8Ty3yQyOq3Nc37FVaTz94mGEmBPrqZZH0ZpdJiCtWuGVOKj4P/M0DFrY0/5LPGLCHWiA33SQ5ulwEeb6EafRg3EEzUBwi/5+vg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=SWW2O3Yk79WXauqHsRPeKdvqwDQI9unuUPBSLJqpKDA=; b=MMA03TCiSSEFG+hUj1uPJl51p8fy5Za5vJNFNCdJmEp9FoSfLNpMzc7ZdGpDduy2X4Kfv99vqGxRy6D7pgXwIDTG/E4XvdvjatOfRPCMme35UFKaVUyYvhsWqfodnr933X4U18vLKQKW8bdT8goMIQiN0gFelFQYczJi5JosNEhGN8qMT0iNSMpsviERNPUVmYjrRH4KfOl/sbQoIGqj1fAUw3ip3l7cJG+K3/87AIkcx1AH7JPYzHH4b428Jo60svDQvOyogQxZDBPGQGsn22zttaUxFOwVLclweGhKJ2t+6v/0reW3nWlo+JmGAqOBFSBzkmIJQ0BY3WyedonoyQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=none; dmarc=none; dkim=none; arc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=live.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=SWW2O3Yk79WXauqHsRPeKdvqwDQI9unuUPBSLJqpKDA=; b=unYB5CkUrNNYl2rlR+4dpE9vOmyW2hMkMNiMO5g3SZGEgIWBkPbG5wJzf7hkVRe9myepDaXsSRO82WAD3Md0Y3QIBVVEc4L0DgtzDBXGRFQa8ITOYnjB2gLsv084WFuqFi5MergDdZxqGieAw5iQhatiGml81cVD3lVDJNpvpTwb65NlBX3E8MQfSQEVqWodoAXiMwYNaKY0LQiBVzAw/pNKbuPyRgUnLvz8xdA2k6l6g291tSnrJogZS6Vtuewuh5txcBtapuaoMIyMUtIb0fcZlhJhTgK6E1tWDsOi5a2qI3f8/3DMjkCF4erm1v1PfiGEZ4HDXwXCC9FDWg4kSA== Original-Received: from AM6EUR05FT029.eop-eur05.prod.protection.outlook.com (2a01:111:e400:fc11::46) by AM6EUR05HT169.eop-eur05.prod.protection.outlook.com (2a01:111:e400:fc11::203) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3611.23; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 03:04:00 +0000 Original-Received: from AM0PR06MB6577.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com (2a01:111:e400:fc11::40) by AM6EUR05FT029.mail.protection.outlook.com (2a01:111:e400:fc11::74) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3611.23 via Frontend Transport; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 03:04:00 +0000 Original-Received: from AM0PR06MB6577.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::9487:8c7d:da00:4993]) by AM0PR06MB6577.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::9487:8c7d:da00:4993%7]) with mapi id 15.20.3611.024; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 03:04:00 +0000 Thread-Topic: RE: RE: Auto Fill Comments Thread-Index: AQHWwvpz/XGnQ8IObkCFmtfxerWtQ6nYe76AgAFOcQCAAL1VgIAAApyAgAAKXYCAABb5AIAAEjMAgAAEowCAADRngIAAMQIAgAATsoqAAAZnAIAADCXB In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: sv-SE, en-US Content-Language: sv-SE x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:A36210CA8F03744B0315F665654C5A4804B3DF7278741C46AE07A2DCE572A1B3; UpperCasedChecksum:3A45550F365A167696707FC995590BB101CFDF26A70B2CD4326720449E44D572; SizeAsReceived:7929; Count:45 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [0G3YbfN4zXSZxVLO44fQk+NVidAv5juA] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 45 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 088638f9-332c-4d1c-2891-08d8928116ef x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: AM6EUR05HT169: x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 9Rk6TAx1PtDKYfqGJyk91f2ERW0dp0fGfUfxyp95YpoBANAUGG/Y/rSu0cJtsI4KMSiiNl4pHuvVIrgrZXG1VQmDWbi8R0LhLlf3kl/TpQFNmWtOEwXcdGRZW4bafnuexLQAs7kCrux8WNLTjLwoOd50EfLjLELTuyrQlUWU+wYlYLs3y6ofo55VoRuzUT/S869MJFuID/yjzlTZH62Qof9+EtJ+lLsCuqfKIOFE37Vh65x9TN+rA+FJV+4wX9y1 x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: 0zlTvfXmS9jlR4AmCOqhOR3WSFjWBMUwgRQfIep27keCI3NJq3rQ53035M3uVVzq3ntYlpWJeK8s6q+to9jvwSPdiuLGfEW+62GuG092ombFhy9MXjW+wfjnQtJUq7+dqQ9hsOM4K8QOrxTwASr5kA== x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True X-OriginatorOrg: live.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: AM6EUR05FT029.eop-eur05.prod.protection.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 088638f9-332c-4d1c-2891-08d8928116ef X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 27 Nov 2020 03:04:00.5138 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-rms-persistedconsumerorg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM6EUR05HT169 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=40.92.91.17; envelope-from=arthur.miller@live.com; helo=EUR05-AM6-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:125611 Archived-At: Well, you are welcome to contribute and make Emacs the best application in = the world. -------- Originalmeddelande -------- Fr=E5n: Christopher Dimech Datum: 2020-11-27 03:20 (GMT+01:00) Till: arthur miller Kopia: Drew Adams , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org =C4mne: Re: RE: RE: Auto Fill Comments > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:57 AM > From: "arthur miller" > To: "Christopher Dimech" , "Drew Adams" > Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" > Subject: RE: RE: Auto Fill Comments > > Yes, Emacs terminology is old. I dislike killing stuff, reminds me of war= , I never heard word yank before I start using and font locking sounds lik= e I am in a prison. But if you can go past few names, Emacs is quite useful= piece of software. Probably the most advanced terminal emulator I have eve= r used, and it even has a text editor built in. Sure, I spend much of my time in emacs. But there is much more work to do = on it to became really good and quick to code in elisp, > And nowadays it can swap more than 8 meg of ram too! > > > -------- Originalmeddelande -------- > Fr=E5n: Christopher Dimech > Datum: 2020-11-27 01:48 (GMT+01:00) > Till: Drew Adams > Kopia: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > =C4mne: Re: RE: Auto Fill Comments > > The manuals should be rewritten because they are incomprehensible. > Perhaps it was good in the eighties. It continues forever. Consider > "face customisation" for instance, which just means font. Nobody > fuckin reads a manual with 17 nodes. You don't know which one to use, > which commands are most useful, and so on. The problem gets compounded > because every esoteric command is there. > > You are just insisting on something bad and inefficient. > > > --------------------- > Christopher Dimech > General Administrator - Naiad Informatics - GNU Project (Geocomputation) > - Geophysical Simulation > - Geological Subsurface Mapping > - Disaster Preparedness and Mitigation > - Natural Resource Exploration and Production > - Free Software Advocacy > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 10:51 PM > > From: "Drew Adams" > > To: "Christopher Dimech" , tomas@tuxteam.de > > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > Subject: RE: Auto Fill Comments > > > > > Had thought that setq was actually a global > > > thing, not local. For local variables I was > > > using "let" and "let*", but that seems a > > > wrong understanding. > > > > Please read the manual, node `Variables', as > > Tomas advised. But don't just skim it. And > > read its (5) subnodes. > > > > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Variables.htm= l > > > > As seems to be the case with many of your > > questions, this is all explained clearly in > > the Emacs doc. > > > > There are local variables and ... local > > variables. Variables bound by `let', > > `lambda', and named functions (formal > > parameters) are typically local in more or > > less the usual programming sense. > > > > [But if such a variable is in fact defined > > as "special", or global if you prefer, > > then a `let' binding of it is "local" to > > the _duration_ of the `let' - the binding > > is _temporary_. E.g., (defvar foo 42) > > followed by (let ((foo 24)) ...) may > > (depending on the context) bind global > > variable `foo' temporarily to 24.] > > > > Buffer-local and file-local variables are > > something else altogether. They are global > > variables that have a value that is specific > > to - local in scope to - the current buffer > > or file. Some variables have a buffer-local > > value in some buffers but only a global > > value in other buffers (no buffer-local > > value there). Other variables are always > > only buffer-local. > > > > But again, don't listen to my explanation. > > Consult the doc instead. It's more exact, > > more complete, and better presented > > (clearer). > > > > And when you've read what the Emacs manual > > has to tell you about variables, consider > > reading what the Elisp manual has to say > > about variables. There too, start with its > > node `Variables', and move on to its (17!) > > subnodes. > > > > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Variables.htm= l > > > > You don't do yourself any favors, or > > encourage help in forums such as this, by > > not trying to make use of the doc. > > > > The doc is the result of years of effort > > and collaboration, taking into account > > tons of feedback by users of all sorts. > > You're not special - try benefitting from > > the efforts of those who've gone before. > > THEN, if you have a question, please do > > ask it. > > > > HTH. > > > >