From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Arthur Miller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 20:03:07 +0100 Message-ID: References: <54331aa0-6a9a-4809-9f2d-88deee31558b@default> <83pn3zp8bu.fsf@gnu.org> <20201127160216.GA27998@tuxteam.de> <20201127175346.GB27998@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30111"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Christopher Dimech Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 27 20:03:56 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kij2B-0007ji-W5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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envelope-from=arthur.miller@live.com; helo=EUR06-AM7-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:125683 Archived-At: Christopher Dimech writes: > My experience has been that as I got to do more things in emacs lisp, > the understanding needed quickly exceeded my rate of learning. > One can get to sophisticated constructs, even when trying to do > relatively simple things. You never know where your original > plan could get you. Many times the importance of a work is not > measured by its consequences (i.e. by the final command). That is probably because you try to do more difficult things then before. I have been using Emacs for like almost 20 years, and was enough with setq-ing few variables, and wrapping ocassional few lines in a defun to put it on a hook. Then when I tried to do something more advanced, I realized I was hitting a wall and that my knowledge was too lacking; I didn't even know how to read and parse a file with Elisp one year ago; and I wrote a toy compiler 20 years ago. I never needed to learn Lisp, and I knew there are probably lots of idiomatic things I need to before I can do anything interesting with it. It is just to accept what we don't know; and I realized I would need a time to learn it. Thinking that one can just look up all relevant things in instant is a misstake. Becomming fluent with ani API and programming language takes time. Lisp, PHP and TCL are ones that I found easiest to learn, yet it takes lot of time to learn all the APIs, how they are used, all the fine details etc.