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From: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
To: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
Cc: Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com>, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 17:42:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AM0PR06MB6577752F37840B54F00C3B3496F80@AM0PR06MB6577.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <X8D/wBQghtc0X2Dn@protected.rcdrun.com> (Jean Louis's message of "Fri, 27 Nov 2020 16:31:44 +0300")

Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> writes:

> * Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com> [2020-11-27 11:52]:
>> I already hinted you that you could hire a professional writer to clean
>> the swamp for you. Why do you think I told you that? :D
>> 
>> Nobody here works for you. Not Eli, nor everybody else.
>> 
>> Believe me, Emacs documentation is not the problem. You maybe are
>> writer, but you are certainly not a programmer; otherwise you wouldn't
>> ask how to start a Java application :-). We all have strengths and
>> weaknesses; your strength is obviously not programming. Nothing shame in
>> that, not everybody has to be a programmer.
>
> Why not, people learn languages and there are programmers coming from
> other language, switching languages, they know in one language
> majority of things and not in the new language.
>
> In general, there is nothing wrong in asking. It is better that we
> give incentives here to ask any questions by anybody regardless if
> programmers or not programmers.
>
> If any person is configuring ~/.emacs or init.el then they are
> becoming programmers it is progress and is good encouraging progress.
>
> How many programming languages there are? I hope that definition of
> programmer will not change through time that it requires multiple
> programming languages or being paid for the work. Many children today
> are programmers, I would not call them not programmer if they do not
> know Java but they know how to instruct Lego robot.
Yeah sure; I agree; I just answered him myself; I did not mean
always. It is not always problem in user; manual can be written badly
too, or lacking information etc. I ask myself sometimes. By being a
programmer I don't mean by having an academic degree as a programmer;
nowadays or in future more and more people will be programmers by
necessity rather then active choice. 

But when has to realize when one is not good at particular thing, and
not blame the outside world. There is nothing shameless in that. I am
not good in Lisp programming; I learned it through hacking init file,
and I am not good at Emacs internals, I don't have time to sitt hours
and go through all if-defs and thousands of lines of lisp. I wish I
did. But when I don't know how to do something, I ask, and if they tell
me I don't understand it or have missed it, I don't tell them they
manual sux or code is horribly structured. Sometimes error is in our
selves, in this case, Dimech is probably not used to read the technical
manuals and that's not more.

Have you red The Glass Bead Game by Hesse? When people are out of
context, with other words, when we are talking of things we are not
experts in, we should take care, because we are not necessarily good at
one thing just because we are good at others. That is typical fallacy
when people are experts in one subject, get publicity, and then feel
urge to speak about subjects they are not experts in. It is especially
seen today when "influencers" who are (usually) experts in good looking,
are asked about all kind of comments, advices and how-to in diverse
magazines, programs etc.



  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-27 16:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 155+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-24 17:05 Auto Fill Comments Christopher Dimech
2020-11-24 19:42 ` daniela-spit
2020-11-24 19:52   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-24 20:02     ` daniela-spit
2020-11-24 20:53     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-25  0:56       ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  4:40   ` Dante Catalfamo
2020-11-27  4:56     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  5:47       ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-25  7:11 ` Robert Thorpe
2020-11-25  7:59   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-26  3:56     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-26 15:13       ` daniela-spit
2020-11-26 15:23         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-26 16:00           ` tomas
2020-11-26 17:22             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-26 17:35               ` daniela-spit
2020-11-26 18:27               ` tomas
2020-11-26 18:44                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-26 19:19                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-26 20:16                   ` tomas
2020-11-26 20:29                     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-26 20:44                     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-26 21:14                     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-26 21:51                   ` Drew Adams
2020-11-27  0:47                     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  1:57                       ` arthur miller
2020-11-27  2:20                         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  3:04                           ` arthur miller
2020-11-27  3:46                           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27  6:27                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27  6:34                               ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  7:02                                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27  7:15                                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  7:29                                     ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27  7:00                               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27  7:10                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  8:26                                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 13:26                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27  7:33                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-27  2:15                       ` Drew Adams
2020-11-27  2:41                         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  3:21                           ` Drew Adams
2020-11-27  5:47                           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27  6:06                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  6:21                               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27  6:27                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  6:34                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27  6:35                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27  3:32                         ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27  5:32                           ` Drew Adams
2020-11-27  6:02                             ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27  7:28                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-27  7:59                         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  8:11                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-11-27  9:07                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  8:25                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-27  9:11                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27  8:51                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27  9:23                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27 13:44                               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27 16:02                                 ` tomas
2020-11-27 17:41                                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27 17:53                                     ` tomas
2020-11-27 18:07                                       ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27 18:45                                         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27 21:16                                           ` tomas
2020-11-27 21:32                                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27 19:03                                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 19:39                                           ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27 21:26                                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 21:40                                               ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27 22:15                                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-27 22:38                                                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-28  1:06                                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-28  1:24                                                       ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27 22:55                                                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-28  1:08                                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-28  1:45                                                       ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-28  2:54                                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-11-28  7:46                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-28 12:05                                                     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-28 15:58                                                       ` Andy Moreton
2020-11-28 16:15                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-28 16:29                                                         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-29  0:08                                                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-29  0:21                                                         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-29  0:25                                                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-29  0:44                                                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-29  1:15                                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-29  2:24                                                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-29  2:56                                                               ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-29  3:21                                                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-29 23:41                                                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-30  0:06                                                                     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-30  1:06                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2020-11-30  1:49                                                                         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-30  2:05                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2020-11-30  8:58                                                                           ` tomas
2020-11-30 10:09                                                                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-30 10:41                                                                               ` tomas
2020-11-30 11:47                                                                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-30 12:43                                                                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-30  2:38                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2020-11-30  3:03                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2020-12-01 18:47                                                                           ` Andreas Eder
2020-11-30  6:45                                                                       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-30 21:19                                                                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-30 22:14                                                                         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-30 22:26                                                                           ` tomas
2020-11-30 22:32                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-30 23:44                                                                               ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-01  8:45                                                                               ` tomas
2020-11-30 22:45                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2020-11-30 23:22                                                                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-01  8:42                                                                               ` tomas
2020-12-01 15:50                                                                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-01 16:35                                                                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-12-01 18:14                                                                                     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-01 19:33                                                                                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-12-01 19:56                                                                                         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-01 21:42                                                                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-12-01 22:13                                                                                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-01 22:55                                                                                         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-01 23:16                                                                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-12-01 23:27                                                                                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-02  4:49                                                                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-12-01 16:07                                                                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-30 23:12                                                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-30 23:38                                                                             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-29  7:52                                                               ` Yuri Khan
2020-11-29 18:43                                                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-28 12:08                                                     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-28  7:33                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-28 12:02                                                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-29  0:05                                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 19:06                                         ` Drew Adams
2020-11-27 19:43                                           ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27 16:25                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 13:31                             ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27 16:42                               ` Arthur Miller [this message]
2020-11-27 17:00                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27 17:54                                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27 18:40                                     ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27 18:47                                       ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-27 18:30                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-11-27  8:48                       ` tomas
2020-11-27 13:27                         ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27 14:20                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-26 20:45           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-26 20:45         ` Stefan Monnier
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2020-11-27 17:51                           ` Drew Adams
2020-11-27 18:00                             ` Jean Louis
2020-11-27 19:00                               ` Drew Adams
2020-11-28  0:59                                 ` Jean Louis

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