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envelope-from=arthur.miller@live.com; helo=EUR05-VI1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:125637 Archived-At: Christopher Dimech writes: >> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 7:27 AM >> From: "Arthur Miller" >> To: "Jean Louis" >> Cc: "Christopher Dimech" , "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" >> Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments >> >> Jean Louis writes: >> >> > * Christopher Dimech [2020-11-27 05:22]: >> >> > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:57 AM >> >> > From: "arthur miller" >> >> > To: "Christopher Dimech" , "Drew Adams" >> >> > Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" >> >> > Subject: RE: RE: Auto Fill Comments >> >> > >> >> > Yes, Emacs terminology is old. >> > >> > It may be old but not obsolete. You may be younger than Emacs and you >> > encounter things that were already there before you, but need not be >> > obsolete. >> > >> >> I dislike killing stuff, reminds me > of war, I never heard word >> >> yank before I start using and font > locking sounds like I am in a >> >> prison. But if you can go past few > names, Emacs is quite useful >> >> piece of software. Probably the most > advanced terminal emulator I >> >> have ever used, and it even has a > text editor built in. >> > >> > Words cannot and should not be chosen in the manner not to affect each >> > person. There is subset of words we name vulgar or obscene and they >> > are such because people agree to be so and that such should not be >> > used. Yet there is literature where such words are appropriate on the >> > right place. >> > >> > One reader can despise word A, other word B, other word C, other word >> > D, and then in the end, if one should follow that principle then >> > better not write at all! There is no logic in trying to accommodate >> > every person's traumatic experiences. >> > >> > What does make sense to help in understanding is using dictionaries >> > and finding definitions. >> > >> > Here I just pulled the definition of the noun "kill" and verb "kill" >> > from the Wordnet dictionary: >> > >> > The noun does not apply in the Emacs context as it is not verb. But >> > even the noun here shows that "killing" may be used in the sense of >> > very large profit. See: >> > https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/make+a+killing >> > >> > The word in itself is harmless. Trauma that person associates with the >> > word is what hurts the person. To lessen that effect it is advisable >> > to find the true meanings of the words used and in which context as >> > that way one will not use the imaginative meanings or wrong meanings >> > that stem from person's mind. >> > >> > * Overview of noun killing >> > >> > The noun killing has 3 senses (first 2 from tagged texts) >> > 1. (5) killing, violent death -- (an event that causes someone to die) >> > 2. (5) killing, kill, putting to death -- (the act of terminating a life) >> > 3. killing, cleanup -- (a very large profit) >> > >> > Not even English speaking people will know that the verb "kill" has >> > this many senses. One can see that definition number 12 applies here: >> > >> > 12. kill, obliterate, wipe out -- (mark for deletion, rub off, or >> > erase; "kill these lines in the President's speech") >> > >> > Thus the verb "to kill" is part of English language. If person is not >> > English speaker or does not find proper definitions of course that >> > most used definition will be used. If you find yourself having >> > troubles or you find something not logical, please open up dictionary >> > and look up definitions. >> > >> > One can see in the below examples that there are other valid uses of >> > the word "kill" in various senses. >> > >> > * Overview of verb kill >> > >> > The verb kill has 15 senses (first 3 from tagged texts) >> > 1. (103) kill -- (cause to die; put to death, usually intentionally or >> > knowingly; "This man killed several people when he tried to rob a bank"; "The >> > farmer killed a pig for the holidays") >> > 2. (1) kill, shoot down, defeat, vote down, vote out -- (thwart the passage of; "kill a motion"; "he shot down the student's proposal") >> > 3. (1) stamp out, kill -- (end or extinguish by forceful means; "Stamp out poverty!") >> > 4. kill -- (be fatal; "cigarettes kill"; "drunken driving kills") >> > 5. kill -- (be the source of great pain for; "These new shoes are killing me!") >> > 6. kill -- (overwhelm with hilarity, pleasure, or admiration; "The comedian was so funny, he was killing me!") >> > 7. kill -- (hit with so much force as to make a return impossible, in racket games; "She killed the ball") >> > 8. kill -- (hit with great force; "He killed the ball") >> > 9. kill -- (deprive of life; "AIDS has killed thousands in Africa") >> > 10. kill -- (cause the death of, without intention; "She was killed in the collision of three cars") >> > 11. toss off, pop, bolt down, belt down, pour down, down, drink down, kill -- >> > (drink down entirely; "He downed three martinis before dinner"; "She killed a >> > bottle of brandy that night"; "They popped a few beer after work") >> > 12. kill, obliterate, wipe out -- (mark for deletion, rub off, or erase; "kill these lines in the President's speech") >> > 13. kill -- (tire out completely; "The daily stress of her work is killing her") >> > 14. kill -- (cause to cease operating; "kill the engine") >> > 15. kill -- (destroy a vitally essential quality of or in; "Eating artichokes kills the taste of all other foods") >> >> > What does make sense to help in understanding is using dictionaries >> > and finding definitions. >> Indeed; my engish really sux I know! Thank your posting the meaning of >> world kill, being long time until I worked on my glossary. >> >> Frankly I said old; I didn't said obsolete; nor incomprehensive; >> on contrary. Didn't you read that from the message I tried to convey? >> >> I think you are going into waters we don't need to go to here. I was >> illustrating to the guy that everybody can find things to disslike, but >> at the end terminology is just names, just a combination of characters >> or sounds not to get attached to. >> >> > If you find yourself having >> > troubles or you find something not logical, please open up dictionary >> > and look up definitions. >> >> > The word in itself is harmless. Trauma that person associates with the >> > word is what hurts the person. To lessen that effect it is advisable >> > to find the true meanings of the words used and in which context as >> > that way one will not use the imaginative meanings or wrong meanings >> > that stem from person's mind. >> For the record; I have no traumas, and if I did I would certainly not >> ask for the advice on the Internet but I can't be not to comment your >> statements: >> >> Do you mean, when people have traumas, they should get a dictionary to >> read, to make them feel better? Because that is what you are saying! :D >> Is that seriously what you are claiming, or you are just trying to be >> ironic/sarcastic? >> >> If that is so, then I hope you are not working as a psychiatrist. That >> sounds a little bit odd if you believe that people have traumas because >> they got wrong meaning of a word. I would rather claim the >> opposite. Also saying people use imaginative meanings is quite a wild >> claim; that is somethign you would have to assert on per case basis. > > The last time I had trauma, it was from ringing my head after hitting a glass door. > I absolutely did not see the door. Why do people have to clean so good! If you just had a dictionary .... :-) Btw, I once did the same. Was too lazy to turn on lights but I could still barely see in the corridor; forgott there was a glass door in that corridor which I didn't see in the dark, and found myself sitting on the floor after like 5 steps into the corridor. I had a scar on my nose for like few weeks; everythign was blue in front of my eyes when I banged into it :-)