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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:259845 Archived-At: --_000_AM0PR06MB6577724F3882347C59E64B7896F90AM0PR06MB6577eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Imagine all the vulnerabilities brought in by all the other libraries Emacs= uses, and Emacs uses quite many. I don't see difference there. If you are aware of some special vulnerability in libmpv, then please rapp= ort it to the project so they can fix it. For the rest of your questions: answer should probably be self-evident: les= s processes means less resources used, faster response at runtime and progr= ammatic control usually means more flexibility. For same reasons, I wish ev= en dired was not usin ls program but was built on directory-files instead. By the way, I hope you can formulate yourself ess passive aggressive in fut= ure. I perceive your mail as something belonging rather to discussions on = twitch chatt or reddit at best. -------- Originalmeddelande -------- Fr=E5n: Tomas Hlavaty Datum: 2020-11-26 20:12 (GMT+01:00) Till: emacs-devel@gnu.org =C4mne: Re: Introducing emacs-webkit and more thoughts on Emacs rendering (= was Rethinking the design of xwidgets) On Thu 26 Nov 2020 at 09:27, wrote: > On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 06:25:10AM +0100, Arthur Miller wrote: >> Why is it desirable to view jpegs in Emacs rather then run >> insert-your-favourite-image-viewer-here? Or why is it desirable to >> render html in emacs rather then run Firefox? why does this need libraries instead of programs? >> For me: less processes, why is it a good thing? >> less switching between applications, nice to have things in Emacs >> buffers. why does this need libraries instead of programs? > Imagine being able to say "org-store-link" at a specific frame in > a video. Or at specific (x, y) coordinates in a frame in said > video. why does this need libraries instead of programs? > Just imagine :-) imagine all the extra vulnerabilities linked into the emacs process $ ldd emacs | wc -l 94 hmm, that is a lost cause already libraries are easier to use but programs run in separate processes and can be extra sandboxed --_000_AM0PR06MB6577724F3882347C59E64B7896F90AM0PR06MB6577eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Imagine all the vulnerabilities brought in by all the oth= er libraries Emacs uses, and Emacs uses quite many. I don't see difference = there.

If you are aware of some  special vulnerability in l= ibmpv, then please rapport it to the project so they can fix it.

For the rest of your questions: answer should probably be= self-evident: less processes means less resources used, faster response at= runtime and programmatic control usually means more flexibility. For same = reasons, I wish even dired was not usin ls program but was built on directory-files instead.

By the way, I hope you can formulate yourself ess passive= aggressive in future. I perceive your mail as something  belonging ra= ther to discussions on twitch chatt or reddit at best.


-------- Originalmeddelande --------
Fr=E5n: Tomas Hlavaty <tom@logand.com>
Datum: 2020-11-26 20:12 (GMT+01:00)
Till: emacs-devel@gnu.org
=C4mne: Re: Introducing emacs-webkit and more thoughts on Emacs render= ing (was Rethinking the design of xwidgets)

On Thu 26 Nov 2020 at 09:27, <tomas@tuxteam.de&= gt; wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 06:25:10AM +0100, Arthur Miller wrote:
>> Why is it desirable to view jpegs in Emacs rather then run
>> insert-your-favourite-image-viewer-here? Or why is it desirable to=
>> render html in emacs rather then run Firefox?

why does this need libraries instead of programs?

>> For me: less processes,

why is it a good thing?

>> less switching between applications, nice to have things in Emacs<= br> >> buffers.

why does this need libraries instead of programs?

> Imagine being able to say "org-store-link" at a specific fra= me in
> a video. Or at specific (x, y) coordinates in a frame in said
> video.

why does this need libraries instead of programs?

> Just imagine :-)

imagine all the extra vulnerabilities linked into the emacs process

  $ ldd emacs | wc -l
  94

hmm, that is a lost cause already

libraries are easier to use but programs run in separate processes and
can be extra sandboxed

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