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envelope-from=arthur.miller@live.com; helo=EUR06-DB8-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262592 Archived-At: Jean Louis writes: > Example user experience with repology: > > 1. M-x load-file RET repology.el RET > 2. M-x repology RET s search RET toys OK RET > > then I can find list like below. > > docbook-toys 5 - - > etoys 40 5.0.2408 4.0.2340 > > and many others. Then if I click on `etoys' I get list like: > > AUR etoys 5.0.2408 - fallback-mnt-aur@repology > Debian Oldstable etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk > Debian Stable etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk > Debian Testing etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk > Debian Unstable etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk > Deepin etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk > Devuan 1.0 (Jessie) etoys 4.0.2340 non-free/games jredrejo@debian.org holger@debian.org > Devuan 2.0 (ASCII) etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk > Devuan 3.0 (Beowulf) etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk > Devuan 4.0 (Chimaera) etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk > Devuan Unstable etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk > Kali Linux Rolling etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk > Pardus etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk > Parrot etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk > Raspbian Oldstable etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk > Raspbian Stable etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk > Raspbian Testing etoys 5.0.2408 non-free/games pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org dr@jones.dk > > In the same manner I can stumble upon nvidia or other non-free > graphics drivers, and plethora of other non-free software: > > Debian Stable Backports nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-418 418.165.02 > non-free/misc pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org anbe@debian.org > bluca@debian.org > Debian Testing nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-418 418.165.02 non-free/misc > pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org anbe@debian.org bluca@debian.org > Debian Unstable nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-418 418.165.02 non-free/misc > pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org anbe@debian.org bluca@debian.org > Devuan 4.0 (Chimaera) nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-418 418.165.02 non-free/misc > pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org anbe@debian.org bluca@debian.org > Devuan Unstable nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-418 418.165.02 non-free/misc > pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org anbe@debian.org bluca@debian.org > Kali Linux Rolling nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-418 418.165.02 non-free/misc > pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org anbe@debian.org bluca@debian.org > MX Linux MX-17 Testing nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-418 418.165.02 > non-free/libs pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org anbe@debian.org > bluca@debian.org > MX Linux MX-19 Testing nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-418 418.165.02 > non-free/libs pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org anbe@debian.org > bluca@debian.org > Parrot nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-418 418.165.02 non-free/misc > pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org anbe@debian.org bluca@debian.org > Raspbian Testing nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-418 418.165.02 non-free/misc > pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org anbe@debian.org bluca@debian.org > > Most of times it will not say clearly "non-free" as I have just listed > those from Debian non-free. > > GNU ELPA should not provide access to an indexed catalogue of non-free > software. > > Jean As I see, it says "non-free", so what is the problem? I think it is rather informative to see if a piece of software is free or not free, that way I can at least avoid non-free ones. Are we now dogmatically religious where non-free software is forbidden to even be mentioned as non-free? That smells to me as a slippery slope into dogmatism and absolutism. Is there free-speach if people are not allowed to speak freely about some subject(s) like mentioning non-free software? I think the problem for you is that you see that list as a "recommendation list". If you instead interpret it as a "black list", than having list of non-free software becomes a useful listing in terms of things to avoid :-). Cheers /a