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From: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
To: yarnton--- via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Cc: "Gregory Heytings" <ghe@sdf.org>,
	yarnton@tutanota.com, "Daniel Martín" <mardani29@yahoo.es>,
	"Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org>, "Richard Stallman" <rms@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Emacs as a word processor
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 11:18:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AM0PR06MB65774646DF11A9C54B551CF696DE0@AM0PR06MB6577.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <MPCH6N0--3-2@tutanota.com> (yarnton's message of "Wed, 23 Dec 2020 02:48:25 +0100 (CET)")

yarnton--- via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
writes:

> You could probably implement all these functions with a minimal layer on top of
> org-mode, as it does support a lot of functionality already.
Org is another markup language, org is little higher than say md or rtf
or xml/html which are other markup languages, but it would be much more
work then "minimal layer". It is just half-wysiwyg. It is not
impossible, but is not that minimal either.

> IMHO, since Emacs is mostly plain text oriented it is going to be hard to go
> beyond supporting what Org already offers.
What would be a problem there? Probably every text manipulation program
has some kind of plain text storage in it's backend somewhere; be it an
array as in Emacs or some linked structure.

Emacs has Lisp which has lists which lets you build arbitrary structures.

It is trivial to implement hierarchical structures like DOM tree or a
scene graph in Lisp since n-ary trees can be easily created with
lists. Likewise key-value properties like CSS properties are also easily
represented with lists; I guess that is what Emacs text properties
already are.

One could use buffer just as a memory storage and index into it, so
"plain text" is really not a problem. And by the way, it is not so plain
anymore, is utf8, so big part of the work is already done (encoding/decoding).

The only problem I see is Emacs renderer. It just needs a little bit
more flexibility so it can render stuff in layers, on top of each other,
so we could for example render some nice rectangle for a page,  markers where
text on paper starts, ends etc. Also a pixel aligned dragging of objects
with mouse might be useful to have in a wysiwyg application, but is not necessary.

I think print view could already be implemented by simply rendering
buffer to svg image and displaying it in another buffer.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-12-23 10:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-22 18:22 Emacs as a word processor Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-22 18:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-22 19:28   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-22 19:37     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-22 19:46       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-22 20:00       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-22 19:32 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-22 19:41   ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-22 19:51     ` Jean Louis
2020-12-22 19:57       ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-22 20:07         ` Qiantan Hong
2020-12-22 20:43           ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-22 20:56           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-24  5:49             ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-24 20:57               ` chad
2020-12-25  4:37                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-25  7:14                   ` Emacs as a word processor (ways to convert Word/RTF proprietary files) Jean Louis
2020-12-25  8:15                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-25  9:58                       ` Jean Louis
2020-12-25 12:08                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-25 13:11                           ` Jean Louis
2020-12-25 13:39                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-27 21:28                             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-28  7:26                               ` Jean Louis
2020-12-28 17:11                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-12-28 22:19                                 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-29  8:31                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-12-29 13:27                                     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-28 13:47                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-28 19:12                                 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-25 13:23                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-27  9:43                           ` Jean Louis
2020-12-25 10:30                       ` Yuri Khan
2020-12-26 10:23                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-26 10:32                           ` Sv: " arthur miller
2020-12-26 11:03                           ` Yuri Khan
2020-12-26 11:53                             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-26 12:19                               ` Jean Louis
2020-12-27  5:38                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-25 10:59                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-25 13:19                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-25 14:44                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-25 19:41                             ` Sv: " arthur miller
2020-12-25 21:08                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-26 10:13                                 ` Sv: " arthur miller
2020-12-27 21:08                                 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-25 13:49                         ` Jean Louis
2020-12-25 15:02                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-26  6:34                             ` Jean Louis
2020-12-28 11:44                             ` Eric S Fraga
2020-12-28 12:22                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-28 12:37                                 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-12-28 16:25                                   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-29 10:10                                     ` Eric S Fraga
2020-12-28 13:37                             ` [pandoc] (was: Emacs as a word processor (ways to convert Word/RTF proprietary files)) Uwe Brauer
2020-12-28 14:56                               ` Stefan Kangas
2020-12-28 15:02                                 ` [pandoc] Uwe Brauer
2020-12-28 16:33                               ` [pandoc] (was: Emacs as a word processor (ways to convert Word/RTF proprietary files)) Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-28 17:07                                 ` [pandoc] Uwe Brauer
2020-12-28 18:11                                   ` [pandoc] Tomas Hlavaty
     [not found]                         ` <X+Xv2f/sQzaWg/B0@protected.rcdrun.com>
2020-12-25 15:07                           ` Emacs as a word processor (ways to convert Word/RTF proprietary files) Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-26  6:35                             ` Jean Louis
2020-12-27 21:14                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-28  1:39                                 ` Amin Bandali
2020-12-28 16:38                                   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-12-26 10:23                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-26 10:45                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-27  5:38                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-26 16:12                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-27  5:40                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-28 13:41                         ` Uwe Brauer
2020-12-23  4:53         ` Emacs as a word processor David Masterson
2020-12-23  5:26           ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-23  7:52             ` Jean Louis
2020-12-23  8:02         ` Jean Louis
2020-12-23  9:53           ` Arthur Miller
2020-12-23  1:48 ` yarnton--- via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-23  2:29   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-12-23  2:53   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-12-23  7:25     ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-23 17:58       ` yarnton--- via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-23 18:06       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-24  3:09         ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-25  4:31         ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-25  5:17           ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-25  5:18           ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-26 10:28             ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-26 11:30               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-23 17:09     ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-12-24  5:47     ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-23 10:18   ` Arthur Miller [this message]
2020-12-23  4:21 ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-23  4:38   ` Christopher Dimech
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-12-24  6:18 Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2020-12-24  6:24 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-02-01 17:00 James Lu

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