From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: C-Ret: cua and icicles Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 15:53:19 -0700 Message-ID: References: <28642650.post@talk.nabble.com> <30E9CD913F7940E5A0F92DD74C1BA186@us.oracle.com> <28661114.post@talk.nabble.com> <7E04312E9C7D401EAF6BDCAB75409BE9@us.oracle.com> <31B7D5DF50C84ECE9ACA11AC1914C8F8@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1274741776 30135 80.91.229.12 (24 May 2010 22:56:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 22:56:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, 'Dirk80' , "'Kim F. Storm'" To: "'Lennart Borgman'" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 25 00:56:14 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OGgZB-0003LB-MM for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 May 2010 00:56:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60836 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OGgZA-0002FO-Qm for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 May 2010 18:56:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=49879 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OGgYe-0002By-KC for Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 May 2010 18:55:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OGgYZ-0003Ta-LI for Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 May 2010 18:55:40 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:37306) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OGgYZ-0003TT-Fk for Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 May 2010 18:55:35 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o4OMt7Fl002355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 May 2010 22:55:08 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o4OCrebv006932; Mon, 24 May 2010 22:55:06 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt006.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 264022621274741598; Mon, 24 May 2010 15:53:18 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 24 May 2010 15:53:18 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: Acr7kTfkVDB6RBinQK+cOaFRRLe9WAAADLfQ X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-Source-IP: rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090201.4BFB03D0.0070:SCFMA4539811,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:73761 Archived-At: > Yes, maybe I went to far but I felt I have to clear up some > misunderstandings in what you wrote. User will have to deal with it. > > But this information was mainly meant for you. You can detect this bad > situation and tell the user how to overcome it. If you are want to > grab a key that is used by a major component in Emacs that many users > are using I think that helps quite a bit. I give up. Fuggedabowdit. > > I tried to explain the interaction among the keymaps etc. > > Yes, but you did not get it right. Your description that > cua-mode "is just one mode among a multitude of possible modes" > is highly misleading. It is an emulation mode and that is very > important. That was not a description of cua mode. It was an expression of _my opinion_: "To me, it is just one mode among a multitude of possible modes." ^^^^^ Am I not being clear, or are you willfully misreading and snipping the meaning out of what I write? We apparently agree on one thing, however. As I said: "You feel that CUA mode is extremely important, and everything in Emacs should bend over backwards to cater to CUA mode." That extreme importance (for you) follows, you say, from CUA mode being an emulation mode. We can perhaps agree to disagree about the extreme importance. That is a matter of _opinion_. It is not that you or I "did not get it right" or is "misunderstanding". It is that we have different opinions. Please do not confuse making your opinion known with helping someone "get it right". > However the rectangle thing is not part of the emulation of CUA and > should IMO not be in that keymap. It should rather be a separate, > normal minor mode. Tell it to emacs-dev.