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From: Jean-Christophe Helary <jean.christophe.helary@gmail.com>
To: Emacs-Devel devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: VC menu ?
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 11:26:28 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AF7EF472-9B32-450E-9DD0-2B546AD01901@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87d19d6pf3.fsf@holos>


> On Jul 7, 2017, at 9:50, Mark Oteiza <mvoteiza@udel.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
> Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
>> On Thu, 06 Jul 2017 07:27:12 -0400 Mark Oteiza <mvoteiza@udel.edu> wrote: 
>> MO> Sarcasm aside, if you had ever flipped through the Emacs manual or
>> MO> scrolled through a list of keybindings, you would have been aware of VC.
>> 
>> I think menu-driven UI discovery is fun and an essential part of the GUI
>> experience.
> 
> I agree.  It's but one of many useful self-documenting facilities in
> Emacs.  Unfortunately the original poster thinks the others are silly and
> that the menu should spoon feed.

Not all the "others". I think your sarcasm is not smart and not relevant to the discussion, I also think (and I wrote) that it *is* silly to consider equivalent the VC menu and the Games and some other menus in the context of a development text editor where version control is a core feature. I also consider not useful the a posteriori exemples of "discoverability" that pop up every time there is a question similar to the one I asked. Discoverability should not be confused with exploration.

I do understand Eli's considerations about screen real estate though, even if I think with Ted and Oscar that VC should be considered a special citizen of the top menu. Now, if you have anything of interest to add to the discussion please do, otherwise I don't see much point going on.

Jean-Christophe


  reply	other threads:[~2017-07-07  2:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-06  6:51 VC menu ? Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-06 11:27 ` Mark Oteiza
2017-07-06 12:07   ` Kaushal Modi
2017-07-06 12:10   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-06 12:20     ` Andreas Schwab
2017-07-06 12:25       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-06 12:41         ` Tino Calancha
2017-07-06 13:28           ` Stephen Berman
2017-07-07 13:16             ` Tino Calancha
2017-07-06 14:01   ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-06 14:20     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-07  0:50     ` Mark Oteiza
2017-07-07  2:26       ` Jean-Christophe Helary [this message]
2017-07-07  4:29         ` Homeros Misasa
2017-07-07 12:31       ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-07 13:22         ` Drew Adams
2017-07-07 13:33           ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-07 13:31     ` Tino Calancha
2017-07-06 13:54 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-06 17:03   ` Óscar Fuentes
2017-07-06 14:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-06 15:09   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-06 15:15     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-06 16:49   ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-06 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-08  1:25   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-08  7:04     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-09 22:59       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-10 16:49         ` Eli Zaretskii

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