From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:26:47 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz><87iq5py7xk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83iq5oliet.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1276356405 18720 80.91.229.12 (12 Jun 2010 15:26:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" , "'Stefan Monnier'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 12 17:26:43 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONSba-0004vm-Uy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:26:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32998 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONSZF-0000T2-RA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:24:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=35147 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONSPB-0004IP-Om for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:13:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONRg6-0003Nw-40 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:27:19 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:30362) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONRg5-0003Ne-P6; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:27:18 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o5CERFJu013516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:27:16 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o5CDXsps011182; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:27:14 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt007.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 341236841276352804; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:26:44 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.64.21) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:26:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <83iq5oliet.fsf@gnu.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 Thread-Index: AcsKEAwpNX0PSmdARyqGdwJALwdmrgAI/63A X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-Source-IP: rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090204.4C139945.0025:SCFMA4539811,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125816 Archived-At: > > It just switches between "C-f = right and C-b = left" and > > "C-f = left and C-b = right" based on the paragraph's direction. > > Which seems eminently meaningful since the associating between > > "forward" and "right" is just based on our usual convention of > > writing L2R. > > Exactly. Exactly what? That just _restates_ the claim that the left arrow key should follow the logical order like C-f and not follow the logical order like C-b, in a R2L para. No _reason_ has yet been given for such arrow key behavior. You've said it is needed in order to not be "counter-intuitive". But that argument alone should apply as well to C-f/C-b. To be clear, I don't have a problem with the behavior you describe. But I don't see any supporting argument for it either, so far.