From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: delete-selection-mode Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:37:18 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com><201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu><87vdd1yqe4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87eijjzrkd.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org><20100317143519.GB4381@muc.de><8739zy68n2.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87zl261yta.fsf@telefonica.net><87sk7y4rdv.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268861883 2222 80.91.229.12 (17 Mar 2010 21:38:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:38:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Stefan Monnier'" , "'David Kastrup'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 17 22:37:58 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ns0w1-000629-4Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:37:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43828 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ns0w0-00037P-Cv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:37:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ns0vt-00032y-Pm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:37:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=52369 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ns0vs-0002zw-DH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:37:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ns0vq-00054L-VM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:37:40 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet12.oracle.com ([148.87.113.124]:30673) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ns0vq-00054A-QY; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:37:38 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o2HLbZfA024616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:37:37 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o2HLbYdl021875; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:37:34 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt004.oracle.com by acsmt353.oracle.com with ESMTP id 89820011268861837; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:37:17 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:37:17 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcrGGHp8ERiJx+iaQrWYfuu+WReATQAADXQw X-Source-IP: acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A0B0206.4BA14B9F.00E1:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122112 Archived-At: > > At one point of time you will have to decide either arguing > > that Emacs provides obvious benefits over competing products, > > or not. > > Compared to things like Eclipse, I see the following significant > advantages: > > - does not impose a particular workflow or combination of tools. > > That's it. To me there are of course many more advantages > (e.g. it also works in a tty; I can read my email with it > reusing the familiar and powerful editing features; lightweight > (who'd have thought!?); ...). Please, folks, lets keep to the topic as raised by Juri: `whether the default should be d-s-mode or just t-m-mode'. Why submerge that pointed topic under a sea of general discussion about Emacs vs The Other? Doing that helps ensure that the real topic will be lost and go nowhere. Please start another thread for the general stuff. There really is only one question to discuss in this thread: "Which is better as the default behavior, d-s-mode or t-m-mode?". T-m-mode is the current default; Juri proposed changing the default to d-s-mode. That question is plenty big enough. We can still bring in questions of who the default behavior (for this) should be most aimed at, and other relevant questions that have already been broached. But it works against deciding the question at hand to widen the discussion to anything and everything about Emacs and various ways of using Emacs.