From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Van L Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: EMACS=t Joy and Happiness Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 20:07:42 +1000 Message-ID: References: <87tvqw4w8s.fsf@russet.org.uk> <6443412a-5803-d9c0-1ef3-ece7f49c43e1@cs.ucla.edu> <8897E590-091D-4822-A3E8-9D1889E16995@scratch.space> <83y3g6984k.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1527329198 25476 195.159.176.226 (26 May 2018 10:06:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 10:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel devel To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 26 12:06:34 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fMW5o-0006Vi-MJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 May 2018 12:06:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48366 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fMW7u-0004eh-52 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 May 2018 06:08:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47059) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fMW79-0004eZ-Le for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 May 2018 06:07:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fMW78-0005bs-Ou for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 May 2018 06:07:55 -0400 Original-Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.193]:46727) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fMW74-0005WQ-VC; Sat, 26 May 2018 06:07:51 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 123.243.244.176 Original-Received: from epi.local (123-243-244-176.tpgi.com.au [123.243.244.176]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 19D5724000B; Sat, 26 May 2018 12:07:50 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <83y3g6984k.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 217.70.183.193 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:225749 Archived-At: > On 26 May 2018, at 17:41, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 >> From: Van L >> Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 10:17:02 +1000 >> Cc: Emacs-Devel devel >>=20 >> I was upset by the idea of paying more to not upgrade. >=20 > I guess you never had the experience of upgrading a system in a > production-type environments, with a large number of users, each of > whom has their specific requirements and packages that need to > continue running smoothly. Let=E2=80=99s not get personal. This is about the system and upgrades. Anyway, it is now the law to report a breach within 72-hours or pay 4% = of revenue. Your are skating over a concept large installations use orchestration = toolchains for devopsproding.