From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stuart Hacking Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The copyright issue (Was: Key bindings proposal) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 09:37:46 +0100 Message-ID: References: <19546.32875.515000.117266@gargle.gargle.HOWL> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281083905 2185 80.91.229.12 (6 Aug 2010 08:38:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 08:38:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Uday S Reddy Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 06 10:38:23 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OhIRZ-0003OE-GT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:38:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46673 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OhIRY-0002xM-R5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 04:38:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=39781 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OhIRQ-0002vL-JI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 04:38:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OhIRN-0002vo-Qf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 04:38:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.216.169]:36541) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OhIRN-0002vY-OL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 04:38:09 -0400 Original-Received: by qyk12 with SMTP id 12so4032978qyk.0 for ; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 01:38:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JF7TPREGb/7O+yZ4D+wQoWlm3dFPULwY8BqW+kWO4Vo=; b=rmZHkSZKxfq9dK6IERn/I6F4ai0WO7Izgri+RYLncZuw4fFb5gFa6dXjc1qoNibThp 8ipRodP6iMLrJ7bn/VrSWIwY8I+csbjSQq+KZa9xEx4iDqwfSY5qBombnW58P6xvqC5k wWIoGWNeLS5kxBKn7Yvug4Ib30qZryJP7AauA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aHYUJ54W7+KPve/yFvdwT82ee11r8jYUj0bmopChode1p/VE9+PABI1QFWBRUdQKq7 inK6c69vqZe3nLHWb2bERGA9n59mmeDNBfRlbQUFUU2pLK8lJyf0NN9mFlHpQs8vONpD xTu6OATDmvnqsZU7E2cptyJ6TfJiXbyQvJ6oU= Original-Received: by 10.229.227.210 with SMTP id jb18mr942853qcb.93.1281083888616; Fri, 06 Aug 2010 01:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.220.199.73 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 01:37:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <19546.32875.515000.117266@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128367 Archived-At: On 5 August 2010 10:12, Uday S Reddy wrote: > But it seems that the FSF copyright policy has become a bugbear, which > might not have been the original intention. =C2=A0The current situation i= s > highly asymmetric. =C2=A0Anybody, including a private corporation, can us= e > the FSF codebase to develop their variants, but Gnu Emacs can't use > their enhancements to enrich itself. It is indeed sad that some corporations feel unable to contribute back to the community that supports them. This is not unique to GNU though. > So, Gnu ends up lagging behind > and, perhaps in cases like Aquamacs, not even being able to enter the > territory. =C2=A0It leads to more and more forking, making life hard for > the package developers and becoming a disservice to the users. > > Can't we find a way out of this dilemma? Correct me if I'm wrong but there aren't that many emacsen left out in the wilds anymore. We have GNU Emacs and XEmacs. Aquamacs and W32 Emacs are based of the GNU version. The creators/maintainers of these branches are actively engaged in this mailing list helping to improve the core project. Yet, they also provide enhancements that help emacs to better fit the non-free platforms. This is good for the users themselves. This doesn't look like a major problem to me.* --Stuart * One day we'll live in a perfect world where everyone runs GNU/Linux, etc, etc... let me know how that turns out.