From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:36:42 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <87sk3oe3la.fsf@telefonica.net> <1154D96E7D2F401D849266F359E44BB9@us.oracle.com> <87ocecdzou.fsf@telefonica.net> <2256C17F740A425884AD551DE7758056@us.oracle.com> <87fwzodqqm.fsf@telefonica.net> <5138CDF30B2D4B778F948015614DA7BC@us.oracle.com> <87iq4ijtdy.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87bpa7uu1e.fsf@kanis.fr> <877hkv2hco.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iq4e593w.fsf@kanis.fr> <87lj9ayp2f.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279798643 31450 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2010 11:37:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Ivan Kanis , Tom , Miles Bader , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 22 13:37:21 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Obu5Y-0000A7-My for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:37:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40436 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Obu5X-0008Fk-B1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:37:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=40420 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Obu5L-0008E9-7N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:37:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Obu5K-0000mt-96 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:37:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.216.41]:40017) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Obu5H-0000mN-2z; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:37:03 -0400 Original-Received: by qwk4 with SMTP id 4so3181960qwk.0 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 04:37:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ggJWgEnRDxN2Un9rQwlUZPmr+FciJMVV3euSRpZTE2U=; b=TSEPKZZKRtvHdBNpUVsv/OeLIw0PePqN0lSX+BsKZaQ9S3filx4mGDXpJkjGvCXOe1 /kxgL06ECfA+MIPQ61/IItq/uIJjmlCQ4wIYKCvRbyePC0zehakN7OA/ko3ys+5Ma0mA riBY4SVjNDBccPvQ4hj7MjB9eF5pmqzK7oq+s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=g5D8V3S3dxio2TwCfUPaQAIzVtzLySLtoz14j2a18bECSG81D44fIlNHy0ZeeOrPmq HSPrLcjlYjFfAHqZW7oQc9QG+JxQ7aUt6bqThtKKfsZiS1XXuuj93wxulIfFAF+csVNB 1XfLiBQAeTIeWAmlPgcxmpjp8131CyfmNJyV8= Original-Received: by 10.224.11.66 with SMTP id s2mr1196170qas.211.1279798622216; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 04:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.229.5.72 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 04:36:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87lj9ayp2f.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127628 Archived-At: On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Chong Yidong wrote= : > Ivan Kanis writes: > >> I think turning on CUA mode by default would help first time users. If >> there's a one line of lisp to turn it off and have the old behavior I >> don't mind. I don't think veteran emacs user would mind either. > > No, having CUA mode on by default is off the table. > > This proposal has been discussed before, and there are many problems > with it. =C2=A0For instance, by default, C-c LETTER is reserved for user > customizations; CUA prevents such key bindings when the region is > active. Is not this a reason for making CUA mode default? As long as it is not the default it will be a second class citizen and obstacles like this will remains. And those makes it quite a bit harder for new users. > Let's not revisit this discussion. =C2=A0It is not difficult to turn on C= UA > mode, for those who want it; it's even in the Options menu. That is not the problem.