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From: MON KEY <monkey@sandpframing.com>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: moving more cl seq/mapping support into core
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 01:51:33 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTincXXLhtu2H-AnRFaHdRdLjd8HhrNOALk2csdk+@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1P2aOq-00079w-ES@fencepost.gnu.org>

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> I don't think that relates to this issue.

It can't not relate.

>
> This issue is about global names.
>

Here's the thing about the global names "issue" that I find
particularly irksome:

(let ((tf "./some-temp-file"))
  (with-temp-file tf
    (insert
     "(defun reduce (arg1)\n  arg1)"
     "\n(reduce 'bubba)"))
  (byte-compile-file tf)
  (when (get-buffer "*Compile-Log*")
    (display-buffer "*Compile-Log*"))
  (delete-file tf))

Does your *Compile-Log* buffer have this warning:

,----
|
| In reduce:
| some-temp-file:1:8:Warning: function reduce used to take 2+ arguments, now
|     takes 1
| some-temp-file:3:10:Warning: Function `reduce' from cl package called at
|     runtime
|
`----

If so, how does one justify this second warning as a protection of the
global names?

Either `reduce' is a privileged global name, or it is available to me (the user)
to bind without qualification.

So which is it, do I get to bind `reduce' at my leisure and without spurious CL
related byte-compiler warnings, or is the runtime ban a self-perpetuating and
(oft broken) policy?

Note, the third way isn't much better:

"Our regime of "protecting" the global names and the user from herself can
appear at once authoritarian and sloppy. We apologize for any inconvenience this
might cause but it is for the best of all parties concerned that it be
this way."

--
/s_P\



  reply	other threads:[~2010-10-04  5:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-24 22:48 moving more cl seq/mapping support into core MON KEY
2010-09-25  5:13 ` Leo
2010-09-25  5:58   ` Miles Bader
2010-09-25 14:42     ` Drew Adams
2010-09-25 15:07       ` Leo
2010-09-25 15:23         ` Drew Adams
2010-09-25 15:30           ` Leo
2010-09-25 15:33             ` David Kastrup
2010-09-25 15:55               ` Drew Adams
2010-09-25 15:55             ` Drew Adams
2010-09-25 16:01               ` Leo
2010-10-01  0:33             ` Daniel Colascione
2010-09-25 21:26       ` Miles Bader
2010-09-26 10:37   ` Richard Stallman
2010-09-26 13:13     ` Leo
2010-09-26 19:32       ` Miles Bader
2010-09-27  6:27       ` Richard Stallman
2010-10-01  0:28         ` Daniel Colascione
2010-10-01  3:16           ` Miles Bader
2010-10-01 20:39             ` Daniel Colascione
2010-10-02  7:12               ` David Kastrup
2010-10-03 23:15                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-10-04 17:41                   ` Daniel Colascione
2010-10-05 23:32                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-10-01 11:42           ` Richard Stallman
2010-10-01 20:36             ` Daniel Colascione
2010-10-01 11:42           ` Richard Stallman
2010-10-01 20:34             ` Daniel Colascione
2010-10-01 21:12               ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-27 19:07 ` MON KEY
2010-10-02  5:35   ` MON KEY
2010-10-04  2:03     ` Richard Stallman
2010-10-04  5:51       ` MON KEY [this message]
2010-10-06  5:21         ` Richard Stallman
2010-10-09  0:29           ` MON KEY
2010-10-10  5:09             ` Richard Stallman
2010-10-04 17:33       ` Daniel Colascione
2010-10-05  9:55         ` Richard Stallman
2010-10-05 10:20           ` Helmut Eller
2010-10-05 18:27             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-10-06 23:41             ` Richard Stallman
2010-10-07 15:04               ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-10-07 15:17               ` Karl Fogel
2010-10-09  2:13                 ` Richard Stallman
2010-10-05 13:07           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-10-06 23:41             ` Richard Stallman
2010-10-07  9:20               ` Daniel Colascione
2010-10-08  5:47                 ` Richard Stallman
2010-10-05 18:26           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-10-06  0:29           ` MON KEY
2010-10-08  2:07             ` Christian Ohler
2010-10-08  2:18               ` Miles Bader
2010-10-08  3:15                 ` Christian Ohler
2010-10-06  8:04           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-10-06  9:20             ` David Kastrup

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