From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:45:31 +0200 Message-ID: References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19537.40472.267000.563053@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <176EDAD3B9E54E39870FA3F84A5DDF3C@us.oracle.com> <19542.56658.583000.394397@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19544.1015.468000.280770@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87lj8nsndb.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <19545.14451.62000.682223@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4C594CD4.9090107@swipnet.se> <87k4o6v76v.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1280929567 3823 80.91.229.12 (4 Aug 2010 13:46:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:46:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Uday S Reddy , joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, "Stephen J. Turnbull" , =?UTF-8?Q?Jan_Dj=C3=A4rv?= , Drew Adams To: Jason Rumney Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 04 15:46:04 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgeIC-0000tu-KQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 15:46:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41005 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OgeIC-0001Wc-8a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:46:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54510 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OgeI6-0001Vl-CR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:45:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgeI5-00016Y-3W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:45:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.216.169]:33767) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgeI5-00016E-1E; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:45:53 -0400 Original-Received: by qyk12 with SMTP id 12so2094191qyk.0 for ; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:45:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=97zLnHeMGjhK9e6B7DSCKuLFjgHo0+OJxNdC8FMCZy8=; b=fXixgezcgg9NTPTVRFR/58RjOQ4/0y/uG3zO6TZKzVZu9pRVRS7RbYZFXaVs6LTdEx wRBaRTgUItHk2NFep4BiBBhUPzX1o0GHaTFs35b13bbj6N6RcRfcr1aaZxGPT4Og/V4t LMZDLuKP0VZAQU6QACmXVi3YVb9OmEpp/btxY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=SsU2qir4GVOTJQRJyaVCCl7ZdbbhevahuO4/BpIguOE641BjaUy24TxRjZQrj/RseM NUMsDHoi7muo7Pg4BuPaonwCb2ffutPNGMWERCR28G1WK6pEIoNCiZE+xeb7Yuzs0fe1 Bad7wDfm1lvh6Bk5xuU2qSdT4aZ1QgKVKmk2Y= Original-Received: by 10.224.6.136 with SMTP id 8mr3841983qaz.149.1280929552311; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.229.9.84 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 06:45:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87k4o6v76v.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128240 Archived-At: On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Jason Rumney wrote: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >> OK, I should of course have written "normal way". Most users on w32 >> never ever use f10 to access the menus. They use the Alt key. > > Have you polled them? No, of course not. > Most users on w32 that I've met only ever use the mouse. But that is > just anecdotal evidence, and I wouldn't pretend to guess what proportion > of those who use the keyboard use F10 vs Alt vs the Ctrl shortcuts. Yes, but keyboard users might prefer Alt since that is easier to reach than f10.