From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Deniz Dogan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Differences between ibuffer and dired Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 17:16:46 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1277997457 30317 80.91.229.12 (1 Jul 2010 15:17:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 15:17:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel devel To: joakim@verona.se Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 01 17:17:36 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OULW8-0001lE-Km for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 17:17:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54293 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OULW8-0005zh-2z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:17:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41918 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OULVx-0005zX-JD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:17:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OULVw-0006PD-77 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:17:21 -0400 Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.152]:45891) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OULVw-0006P1-2s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:17:20 -0400 Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so366456fgb.12 for ; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:17:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=JELOYbrzc6tJ3/CMhcP0FKjbsagVCA3eSrei0HyWjqk=; b=mwOtCFWy07Y93UbA2I5PrPKKMeo2xy7gTo1jZ92VPDXXwWvsE00wuMrHDVe46oB3Y3 5iKPz/9j9osZPDnvGGUeMaM96GfDUda+hEyvHm8erJam6LCqkIsF8B/+GL4Z00PiOvaN q+ZyKYbF6oSBxnHfnfFyaagsJDFOm7S04k5G8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=Qa9bagARvY/vbmLFULsZN1/B8LVUcrrczdJMQvQ8yGiN77CG5J/CeQqBDENJ+P/Hu/ a0LrlLecN7NdCDmBOR37o0ZPvAjhuyVOe3C9gX1jWnYICt1D1DnNSZRZtvt++NntLBd5 un2Tg/M2+hKyk3hEfcAMm5/1y1hnAvmaNo/Cw= Original-Received: by 10.239.165.138 with SMTP id x10mr825296hbd.43.1277997436387; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.239.135.207 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 08:16:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:126624 Archived-At: 2010/7/1 : > Deniz Dogan writes: > >> Why are there so many inconsistencies between the ibuffer and dired >> keymaps? E.g. "U" in dired unmarks all marked items, but in ibuffer it >> does "replace regexp". "u" on the other hand acts the same in both >> modes. >> >> In my opinion the modes are so similar in their use cases that users >> should expect the keybindings to be much more similar than they are >> today, at least for such basic things such as unmarking items. So why >> are there so many differences between them? > > Maybe we should create an experimental "keymap consitency" branch? > > I also find inconsitent keymaps highly annoying. > I would like that very much. I'm just afraid that both modes are so old that people have gotten very used to the keymaps by now and will be very reluctant to relearn them if we change them now. -- Deniz Dogan