From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: immanuel litzroth Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:19:47 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <87sk3oe3la.fsf@telefonica.net> <1154D96E7D2F401D849266F359E44BB9@us.oracle.com> <87ocecdzou.fsf@telefonica.net> <87hbk4i1m4.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bpacdpwl.fsf@telefonica.net> <878w5fizcb.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279012800 25921 80.91.229.12 (13 Jul 2010 09:20:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 09:20:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tom Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 13 11:19:58 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYbef-0007XA-Ud for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:19:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54489 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYbef-0005mn-95 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:19:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=52279 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYbeX-0005lf-SV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:19:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYbeW-0000mp-MD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:19:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wy0-f169.google.com ([74.125.82.169]:57539) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYbeW-0000mf-Gv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:19:48 -0400 Original-Received: by wyj26 with SMTP id 26so4581708wyj.0 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 02:19:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=7KTB+P63zwVldl8pFCc+a0TmP+8LMvWj8XKHmGY9IvM=; b=oZ23L+UsTh/knK+zLFIZZUInfeTQeaIlR9z1ShU5yWCw084QlmIjglMqk4jILl46Wb CkLfRyCaLyMHThuVszmHw4Wmr+ENFI7egy5UXxc/TwsUM0mEH81bXz1tkP/O0lSgaG2h 7aJryTS19VY2XKHitwK7r9HwagCNGbL/8o/k0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=v2UNIKRcFAcY00PsWdt2GQmzI6fg60VRNRVTzsjMrF3LH7EWJ3n3liJJZUv/uh1U0X dgGwOWf16ZyRD2d2iVAl/V37bqPQeTc5ZN/djlQs05bNWuX9lBxfA3JQWfkq7mJ5t7G4 M3gD4pfrF6d9NCeS5IOGZC3TUb/6oVoXKMygU= Original-Received: by 10.227.138.6 with SMTP id y6mr2904059wbt.162.1279012787535; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 02:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.216.220.143 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 02:19:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127160 Archived-At: > So yes, you are right. The current UI won't keep the very > determined hackers away, but in my experience the question most > new users (and > most new hackers) ask when encountering Emacs is: "Why should I > bother with it if it's so alien?" * It supports an order of magnitude more languages that *any* other program out there. * It runs on more operating systems than most other programs. * In a pinch it will run fine over a limited bandwith connection. * It's quite easy to script repetetive tasks in it especially when they involve manipulation of text. It's very powerfull once you get under the hood. * There's a developer community that has usually already written what is just a vague idea in your mind. * If you're happy with what you have now you shouldn't bother changing, but the alienness shouldn't scare you. Are some arguments you might use if for some weird reason you want to spend the next weeks answering questions about emacs, elisp, .emacs(.el) etc. I personally always advise using Visual XX on windows and also give them the email of the resident experts :-) Immanuel